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Title: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: Paul S. on January 22, 2017, 02:24:30 PM
Another piano foot from Percival Vickers - Registered on 5th November 1880 - again I've searched the Board's archives and not aware we've previously had this design.

If you look at Neil's factory pattern sheet here (as attachment)   .....     I'd imagine this one may well correspond to either PV pattern No. 11 or 14 possibly, but there seems to be some difference in the design which confusing since both were no doubt created by the factory.
Perhaps Neil will give us the benefit of his opinion on this design. :)
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: neilh on January 22, 2017, 05:29:44 PM
It's difficult to tell, looks closer to 11. I think they are in date order.

I was looking through a c1880 Silber & Fleming catalog this morning which has a couple of piano feet, not a million miles away from one of the designs. They stated they were available in canary, green, and flint, which matches the colours known so far for this set anyway...
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: Paul S. on January 22, 2017, 06:31:38 PM
thanks .......   as we know, S. & F. were agents, wholesalers and importers, and although they may well have sold British made insulators 
there is always the possibility that some of their designs for such items might have been manufactured outside the U.K.  ...........   that is unless the U.K. was the only country that made piano feet.            Unfortunately, their catalogue doesn't provide specific information on origin.
In theory British made patterns of insulators made during the period 1842 to early 1884 should carry a lozenge, so assume that no one involved with the GMB has yet found one with this particular set of Registration details, otherwise it would probably have already been posted.

I think you're right about the colours  -  most designs for these things seem to turn up in the usual variety of greens, blues, uranium and flint.
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: flying free on January 23, 2017, 12:22:28 AM
is that this one?
https://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/percival-vickers-designs-by-date/percival-vickers-1880-1882
m
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: Paul S. on January 23, 2017, 09:08:04 AM
so it is m - clever clogs, go to the top of the class :-*             I looked  -  or thought I'd looked on Neil's site, and didn't see it  -  it's quite distinctive as you can make out - with those thin perpendicular ridges running around the much wider upright pillars.
I do know that we haven't had an example on the GMB though  -  is there some hidden humorous meaning in the reference to 'Professor Peanuts'?

thanks again :)
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: flying free on January 23, 2017, 09:14:46 AM
added here now. But don't have any more pics I'm afraid as I lost everything when my laptop crashed and I no longer have it.

:)

It's a bit bemusing that the registered design isn't really the same as the factory pattern sheet no 11.  I wonder why the pattern sheet doesn't show the fine vertical ridges as are shown on the actual piece and the RD?
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: flying free on January 23, 2017, 09:34:02 AM
Paul I don't know if it's relevant to add this to this thread but is Christine's here no 4 maybe?

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48595.msg273922.html#msg273922

My teal one on that thread has a very different base but Christine's looks as though it might match 4.
m
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: agincourt17 on January 23, 2017, 10:50:26 AM
m - could I have your permission to add a copy of your picture of the PV RD 357730 piano foot to the GMB RD database, please?

Fred.
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: flying free on January 23, 2017, 11:01:49 AM
yes  :)

m
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: agincourt17 on January 23, 2017, 11:27:44 AM
Thank you, m.

Fred.
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: Paul S. on January 23, 2017, 05:26:25 PM
quote today from m   ...............   "but is Christine's here no 4 maybe?" ...........     possibly m, but in the absence of corroborating information in the form of dimensions - details of which are not shown on the original factory catalogue page -  then we can't be sure  -  there are probably at least two insulator designs with an octagonal profile - Christine's and your own example.     I suspect that either yours or Christine's are possibly PV, but we may never know  -  understandably, mass produced utility items such as insulators were never going to be considered worthy of much detailed attention, and the majority I see are without any Rd. data.

Neil was asked for his opinion back in 2012 when Christine posted her insulator, and he gave the following comments............
 
"The only thing I can add - there are some categories of pressed pieces, such as tumblers, where trying to identify the glassworks is virtually impossible as the designs tended to be common and unremarkable. I guess you have to decide if piano insulators fall into that category or whether you think it's realistic to attribute them to a glassworks, when one finds an unregistered piece which matches a catalogue image.

To give an example of the problem, I have two early plates which appear in the Molineaux Webb catalogue - a Queen Victoria coronation plate, and a lacy Sandwich style plate. I would dearly like to be 100% sure my plates are by Molineaux Webb, but realistically, I know other glassworks were likely producing the same item, or with slight variations. I can prove Molineaux Webb used the pattern, but I can't prove nobody else did - and that's with a complex plate design.""

I've seen very few Registered designs in the Kew archives.
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: neilh on January 23, 2017, 06:52:36 PM
If you type "piano insulator" uranium in google images, you see a few possibles... one looks like a match for pattern 9 in the Percival Vickers set.

Maybe the most interesting on the pattern sheet is number 6. It does not come out well on the image but it looks like a ram's head, reminding me of the bull's head registered design from the Derbyshires in 1877.
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: Paul S. on January 23, 2017, 07:30:10 PM
thanks Neil  .......    I'm not as well informed, on pressed glass in general, as most of you guys, so not really aware if there might be any National Archive images of these things that would be of use to the Board's archives, that currently we don't have here.         If you - or anyone else for that matter - know of any original drawings from the lozenge period that could be of use, let me know and I'll do best to upload.
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: thewingedsphinx on April 05, 2018, 08:18:39 PM
Hi, here are some photos of what we have for rd 357730, it's 4 inches across and weighs in around 600 grams. If you would like more piccies please let me know.
Cheers Mike
Under a UV light it looks like something from Dr Who :)
Title: Re: Percival Vickers Reg. 357730.
Post by: thewingedsphinx on July 27, 2018, 02:25:15 PM
Other colours for reference.
 :)