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Title: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Vitreo94 on March 12, 2018, 01:06:00 PM
Hi all,

Just thought I'd show some recent purchases for my collection as I think they're rather nice and to have some of your thoughts on them.

First up is a rather unusual Cut-Ice Lollipop, it appears to have a deliberate bubble in the center and the early colours matching a Harris era Fish vase I have, I would suspect a Harris era experimental?

Second is a peculiar lollipop vase with the maltese cross applied on both sides and a buttoney top, can't say I've ever seen one myself and I'm uncertain of its date.

Third is a very recognisable early Harris era Amethyst Fish vase with the early blue Mdina label as opposed to the black.

Second to last is what I believe to be an experimental large vase for Rosenthal, the colours are identical and match the general aesthetic of other Rosenthal peices, but I'd be happy to know what people think.

Lastly a button top Sidestripe vase in early blue Harris era colours.

(Photos due to their size will appear in posts following this one)

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Vitreo94 on March 12, 2018, 01:10:42 PM
The Maltese Cross Lollipop Vase
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Vitreo94 on March 12, 2018, 01:13:00 PM
The Amethyst Fish Vase.
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Vitreo94 on March 12, 2018, 01:17:06 PM
The 'Rosenthal' Vase.
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Vitreo94 on March 12, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
Sidestripe vase.
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 12, 2018, 08:42:41 PM
 :)
The first one isn't a "cut-ice", it's a Lollipop with a hole in the middle.

The matter of "cut-ice" depends on whether or not the faces of a lollipop have been flattened on the marver, twice on one side, to make a v-shape on the front and once on the other (for the back) then subsequently futher cut and polished to make the facets on the front.
I tend to refer to the ones that got flattened, but not subsequently further refined by the cold-work, as uncut, cut-ice lollipops.

The hole in the middle is unusual, I also suspect an experimental piece but I wouldn't like to give it a date, nor would I assume it is very early.
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Vitreo94 on March 12, 2018, 09:33:42 PM
Hi Sue,

It certainly is a Cut-Ice, the polished front in a V shape is there but perhaps not so clear in the photo. I'd like to think after years of collecting I know what one is ;D

I would only suggest it being early becuase of the colourway that is identical to a Harris era Fish I have, more waves of blue mixed in rather than a solid block colour with a few yellow/green bits included. The neck to the top is very much ochre like and has small pieces of amethyst, but alas I can't seem to take a photo of it that does it justice and shows it properly. Just to clarify the bubble is a bubble and not a hole, its encased in glass within the piece itself.

If anyone could help with the specific details of each piece I'd be grateful, more to pinpoint dates specificially.
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 13, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
I have short term memory problems and can't think about more that one piece at a time. :-[
And I couldn't tell from the pics that it was cut, not your fault obviously, and I couldn't see how that fitted with the hole in the middle.
I suspect it's not Harris, because the neck and rim are are short, thick and a bit inelegant.

But probably early '70s. I would think all of the bits are, really. The shape of the next bottle is from that period too, I have seen others, but not many.

You don't really need any comments on the amethyst Fish, do you?
It's perfect, and it's Harris. Now you're just stuck with the problem of the label getting in the way of displaying it properly. ;D

It's unusual to see a Rosenthal vase that appears to be completely heat worked, not moulded.

Brain now fried!
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Patrick on March 13, 2018, 03:43:57 PM

First up is a rather unusual Cut-Ice Lollipop, it appears to have a deliberate bubble in the center and the early colours matching a Harris era Fish vase I have, I would suspect a Harris era experimental?


I have an identical example and I know of another........ both are 'ice cut'

Cheers.

Patrick
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Vitreo94 on March 13, 2018, 06:02:50 PM
Thats alright Sue I should have probably mentioned it in my description!

I did think that about it, although Patrick's example looks far more inkeeping with Harris era than mine in terms of the better slender executuon of the neck and top, having said they're clearly part of the same experiment so I'd be intrested in what era you think they're from Patrick?

No, the Amethyst Fish is more showing off really ;D You're quite tright but I think I'll put up with a sticker for the sake of having it!

The Rosenthal is odd, wonky and full of bubbles/ash etc. But a beauty in its own right, can't say Ive seen one and I'm of the impression it was used to see how colours would work/method of production rather than a piece for sale specifically. But someone must have liked it enough to buy it at the time!

Thanks for you time to reply Sue I appreciate it.

Thanks Patrick for the photo of yours, do you believe it to be Harris era or perhaps just after as Sue suggested?

Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 13, 2018, 07:32:50 PM
You can see how elegant the neck and rim of your Fish are, you can see how different that is to the rather thicker shorter rims and necks of the holey-cut-ices.

I still forgot to mention the button rim side-stripe. It's a button rim side-stripe, the nicest kind. ;D
You've made a good load of desirable additions to your collection, I'm notat all  surprised you're showing off, and thank-you for doing so. :)
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: glassobsessed on March 21, 2018, 06:57:05 PM
Really fine fish vase, think I saw it at the Glass Fair but I could not justify buying another in amethyst, good as it is. Great buy, they don't crop up very often.

How tall is the lollipop with the cross? Can't remember seeing another.

John
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 21, 2018, 08:52:49 PM
Is the amethyst Fish the one that was made for Helen Munro-Turner?
I did see that at the fair, having first seen a photograph of it about 17 years ago.
It does look quite like that one.  :)
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Vitreo94 on March 21, 2018, 09:38:41 PM
It was the one at the glass fair, strangely it was actually for sale online sometime in Novemeber and I wasnít able to acquire it then but I managed to get this for far less than what it sold for in November which puzzled me. But Iím happy I have it now.

It was indeed the one made for Helen, came with some paperwork with some background info regarding that.

The lollipop with the Maltese crosses is 6.25 inches high and 4 inches wide (at widest point).


I have some other items that arrived today and Iíll add those to this topic later on in the week.
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: Patrick on March 22, 2018, 02:03:10 PM


Thanks Patrick for the photo of yours, do you believe it to be Harris era or perhaps just after as Sue suggested?




Sorry for the late reply.........

I can not say if it is a piece made in the Harris era.

I bought it because it looked unusual.

Cheers,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Some recent purchases and perhaps some thoughts on them
Post by: glassobsessed on March 27, 2018, 09:01:30 PM
The shape of both lollipops (particularly with Patrick's example) is reminiscent of lollipops made at Isle of Wight Studio Glass in the early 70s, just realised the small lollipop on the left in my group photo from Mdina has a similar shape too.

I would tend to think that your lollipops with the bubble in the centre are part of the experimentation during Harris' time, shapes did evolve after he left and some were made in larger sizes too. The slightly stocky neck in the original post is much like the neck of the fish vase (also with early blue label).