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Title: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: MicksterPix on May 27, 2018, 03:21:51 PM
1st post here.
Ive seen some clear Stuart vases here..... same size 6" tall. I thought it would be nice to share a pic of one of mine which I'm pleased to say has the green centres to the 'eyes'
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 27, 2018, 03:32:17 PM
Welcome.  :)
What a lovely image to be sharing for your first post, thank-you!
I'm sure others will be able to tell you more about it than I can, but it does seem to be a very unusual shape. :)
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: keith on May 27, 2018, 06:27:01 PM
Hello and welcome, very nice, mine looks a bit stiff next to yours  ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: MicksterPix on May 27, 2018, 07:41:16 PM
Cheers Chopin and Keith too.  Noway stiff Keith. It was because I saw yours that prompted me to get out my version and take a quick pic of it....... Then I realised that the image was huge and couldnt be posted so I went through half an hour of trying to reduce the file size of my photo.
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: keith on May 27, 2018, 10:56:35 PM
Ta, here's a few you might like, last trip to the Red House Cone museum.... ;D
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: MicksterPix on May 28, 2018, 09:35:31 PM
Brilliant Keith. Many thanks. We live SO near and still not paid a visit to The Cone.
I need a piece cleaning and heard that we can take it along, leave it with them and collect another day... Any idea of cost for a small Powell bud vase with calcium bloom ?
I'll try adding a pic
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: keith on May 28, 2018, 10:49:10 PM
Didn't know they did glass restoration at the Cone, I know they do at the Ruskin centre, could be risky cleaning 'bloom' out of a small vase it might not come back in one piece  :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: MicksterPix on May 28, 2018, 11:53:08 PM
OH thanks Keith for correcting me... YES The Ruskin Centre is where I mean to take it and get advice. Not The Cone Museum.
Whilst discussing the Peacock eye feature of my Stuart pieces... and Keith's pic from the museum, I see a large bowl.
Here's mine which takes pride and place on the dining table at the moment. Quite a find at Builth Wells Fair.

Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 29, 2018, 11:29:38 AM
Bloom can be disguised, for display purposes only, using a little silicon oil.
It would be absolutely wrong and illegal to disguise it in this way then sell it as perfect, but it would stop it annoying you.
It's also, perhaps, something you should look out for when buying.
The only way to remove it permanently is by grinding it off, using an abrasive and a turning machine. The bloom is part of the surface of the glass.
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: keith on May 29, 2018, 12:42:20 PM
They are very good there, getting the bloom out would be difficult, I think, we had an old paperweight gently restored it took about 4 weeks as they are always busy but it cost very little, before and after pictures... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: essi on May 29, 2018, 06:30:04 PM
Does this type of Stuart design always carry the  Stuart mark on the base ?
I have a very similar small vase with no mark on the base.
Tim
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: keith on May 29, 2018, 08:34:00 PM
Mine has no mark and some of my other Stuart pieces have none  ::)
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: MicksterPix on May 29, 2018, 10:08:51 PM
Thanks for the comments. I dont even know if Bloom is the correct term. Its white staining that's built up I guess-- watermarks may have been a better way to describe it.
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: keith on May 29, 2018, 10:51:45 PM
Water staining is bloom, I think, as Sue said it has to be cleaned off as it is damage to the actual surface of the glass, it's a bit like what would happen if you used fine sandpaper on a piece of glass the mark left would have to be polished away, think I've got that right  ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 30, 2018, 06:16:28 AM
There are two types of watermark. One is surface limescale that can be scratched with a fingernail and removed with vinegar or similar. The other sort is formed by a chemical reaction between the water and the molecules within the glass. It can only be got rid by removing a fine layer of the glass.
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: MicksterPix on May 30, 2018, 05:13:21 PM
Thanks Lustrousstone for the further explanation re water staining etc. No wonder it took me days of rubbing with a number of polishing creams and polishes to remove the marks from the last piece I cleaned. In this case its impossible to get anything other than liquid into where its stained so I think I'll have to live with it. It didnt cost a lot as came with my main piece.
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: essi on May 30, 2018, 08:24:03 PM
My vase does not have a ground out pontil mark, maybe its not Stuart at all.
Tim
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: keith on May 30, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
Not sure if all Stuart pieces were marked also this pattern 'peacock' was made by other companies here and abroad. ::) ;D
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 31, 2018, 05:15:33 PM
Goblets often have completely different base finishes to other pieces from the same company - very often they are just broken pontil marks.
But not all tadpoles are Stuart.
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: flying free on June 03, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
Essi it's a long long time since I looked into this topic, but I would also check out Thomas Webb for yours.
See this very very lengthy topic:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,55750.msg316021.html#msg316021

m
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: essi on June 04, 2018, 09:14:32 PM
Thanks for the prompt M. Have only just seen your post. I had a quick look on google images for Webb examples most of them are described as Stuart.

Will go through the previous posting tomorrow.

Thanks

Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: chch62 on October 25, 2018, 04:55:35 PM
So what is the difference between this Stuart peacock vase and the Whitefriars one by William Powell? They both look the same to me! Are either of them signed?
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: flying free on October 25, 2018, 05:33:27 PM
Hi and welcome to the board :)

To which vases are you referring please?
Please include photographs uploaded to the board so that a comparison can be made.

The only ones I found online were two sold, one in 2003 where the advertisement said  William Powell Whitefriars.  And another from 2015 (?) - links below.  I think that is very unlikely.  I suspect they are Stuart:
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/byrnes-fine-art-auctioneers/catalogue-id-1655609/lot-469641

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/news/columns-and-international/miscellaneana/miscellaneana-powell-sons-whitefriars-glass/

thanks
m
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: MicksterPix on October 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PM
I'm pleased to say that with a little expert help from  Richard @ Redhouse Glass Crafts, The Ruskin Centre. Stourbridge, my little vase which I'm now sure is STUART and Not Powell, should be back with me by Mid November.It's in a queue of glass items waiting to be 'cleaned' in a tumbler machine at this workshop. It takes 4 days of continuous tumbling with his mix of  cleaning powders.
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: chch62 on October 28, 2018, 06:25:51 PM
Hi Flying Free
Thanks for your response - those are exactly the ones I was looking at - one says Powell, the other Stuart, yet they look the same. How do I tell them apart?
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: flying free on October 28, 2018, 08:24:37 PM
On the links I gave they both say William Powell Whitefriars.

I believe they are both Stuart.
I'm sorry I have no time at the moment to dig out catalogue or pattern references. 
So that is just my opinion.  Of course I am open to correction if someone has Whitefriars pattern references to disprove that they are Stuart though.

m
Title: Re: Stuart Peacock vase
Post by: chch62 on October 29, 2018, 09:47:26 AM
Hi
I have looked through Whitefriars pattern books online for this vase and found nothing, but of course I have not seen every design they made. I am curious how people have attributed it to Whitefriars.