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Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 21, 2006, 08:31:31 PM
Since I started collecting Monart, I have always hunted out the miniature vases. Anything under 100mm high.

See plate 50 in Ysart Glass for one of the most common I found, about 6 in twenty years.

Plates 51-53 don't really qualify as they were small objects by their nature. Apart from that I only ever had half a dozen and sold all for substantial premiums over the same colour schemes in normal sizes, say 5" - 12".

Vasart  minis are less rare because of their emphasis on the gift trade, see plate 134 in Ysart Glass. But still relatively scarce in nicer shapes and colouring.

So... where are all the Monart ones? There must be at least few dozen more in existence. Maybe not so many?

From all of the large collections I have seen in 20+ years, I know they are rare beasts. Ian Turner sold a handfull at Christie's, but few appear in other auctions of Monart.
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on September 21, 2006, 08:46:55 PM
Good point Frank   Monart minatures are very scarce and therefore i would imagine be expensive to purchase, it may be that there are a lot still lying about in peoples houses ect that still get used for keeping bits n bobs in  ect as they dont stick out like the bigger pieces and therefore dont get thrown out /given away when decor changes ect or broken so easy,
                Gary :lol:
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: RAY on September 21, 2006, 09:03:07 PM
how much do these's mini's fetch?
Title: Monart Miniatures
Post by: MHJ02 on September 21, 2006, 10:26:38 PM
I'm trying to add miniatures to my collection.   Pity you are excluding the Y pin dishes -I have 7 including 2 x 3.75" ones.   I've got 3 MB's, an SA, RA, a couple of GE's, 2 x ZH and a QC.  

I've found prices have varied from piece to piece ie £65 - £120, but think I've been reasonably lucky.  

I agree with Gary's comments that people probably tend to keep/use them, but it's also possible they are unaware of what they have.

The only way we will get a feel for what's out there is for collectors to use this Forum to say what miniatures they have in their collection.   At least then we'd get an idea of variety.   I bet there's some incredible shaped ones.

Mary  :wink:
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 21, 2006, 10:48:20 PM
No idea really, I sold the 3 or 4 I had in the 90's at around 300 to 400 pounds a piece. But on the odd occasions the MB bowl/vase shows up on eBay they have not attracted much interest and gone for less than 100. I had one footed vase in blue/black/gold that I let go in the last couple of years.

You could check out the 2002-3 ebay results on http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/EbayYwatch2002.htm

Following list updated as data comes in (23rd Sept 06)
The 17 minature vases/bowls are potentially:
(Where a height is given it was measured from an example but is not listed in the original catalogues.)

A size X & XI
C size X & XI
D size XI
N size 95mm
O size XI
Y size XII & XIII
AA size 60mm probably XI
IA size XI
RA size XI
SA size X & XI
MB size XI (Halfway between a vase and a bowl)
TB  size XI although nominally 4.5 inches as footed clearly miniature
GC size XI
XD size 90mm
GE size XII
HF size 90mm
RG sizes IX (104mm) & 95mm
JH IX
JJ 100mm
YK X+

The following are small items rather than miniatures, but look good in a collection of miniatures. All are more common than the above miniatures, particularly the drinking glasses which are still found in sets.

YB  size XI borderline as it is a drinking glass
QC size X & XI borderline as it is a drinking glass in these sizes
EE size XII (depends on height as technically a bowl)
GG is a candle holder not a miniature
BJ is a spill/match holder, not a miniature
QJ is a candle holder not a miniature
PK is a candle holder not a miniature

Surface decorated miniatures are unheard of. I have a unique sugar bowl and jug set with cane decoration from the earliest Monart period, non-catalogue but not really qualifying as miniatures, they are just small pieces. But probably the smallest surface decorated pieces extant.
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 21, 2006, 10:57:22 PM
Oohh, sorry Mary took a while to work out the list. Bowls and ashtrays look good with minis but are fairly common and were just small items.

I suspect the reason you get them cheap is people still do not realise how small the circle of Monart collectors really is and just how rare the glass is. I really do think the number of good miniature vases will only number in dozens. Even Bernard was shocked a few years ago when learned that Monart was wholly free-blown - he had not thought it possible for even the 1920/30's.

Once the US collectors really cotton on, it will all but vanish from eBay. Sadly I have had to let most of mine go already - but that's life. As some compensation I probably have the best collection of Moncrieff glass :P  just no one else seems to collect it, apart from the target balls of course.
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on September 22, 2006, 04:56:12 AM
I suppose a really good unusal shaped minature in good colourway could be worth 300 pounds +, it really is up to the buyer what they are willing to pay for them, but now because its apparent that they are rare and do not come along very much i would say that they must be in the price bracket of 200 to maybe even 400 pounds :shock: , im not too sure about what price they would or could reach on Ebay as prices on there seems to be low most of the time compared to what auction houses make for Ysart glass, though saying that pin dishes in nice and rare colourways do seem to make good money on Ebay, it will be interesting to see what happens when a minature comes up for sale now :lol:
                         Gary
   what about owners of minatures posting pictures on here so that we can see/ enjoy and also get an idea of amounts that could be out there :D
                                   Gary
Title: Monart Miniatures
Post by: MHJ02 on September 22, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
I think Gary's idea is good and I'd be willing to supply photos.   I suppose you'd need a dedicated folder first to place them.   I'd probably need help putting the photos on, not very good with that side of it... :oops:    

I noted with interest Frank your comment about the miniature RG at 95 mm, I've just bought one at 104 mm, so doesn't quite fall within the criteria - and yes, I paid a very large sum of money for it, but worth every penny as it has so many fantastic colours.

Regards - Mary
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 23, 2006, 07:50:13 AM
I'd say 104mm (4 inches) fits the upper limit as Monart was nominally inches and RG is an exquisite shape for a miniature:

(http://www.ysartglass.com/Moncat/Images/RG.jpg)

My guidelines are not hard and fast. There will be items that slip just outside the guidelines, as well as the small items and bowls that can complement a miniature vases collection. My point in the list is that there is a group of vases that are miniature and, unlike most Monart, not really practical for use.
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: luckyslap on September 23, 2006, 01:14:39 PM
Interesting to read the views about miniatures. I have added some pictures of my RG Frank with it's non catalogue label of RG IX and measuring  104mm same as Mary's. I take it the one you measured at 95mm would have been a non catalogue X if the 3/4" per size reduction is accurate? Is the 95mm the smallest or is a smaller one lurking out there?
Sorry Mary you can't have the pair as you can't throw me enough money for it.
I also show a cloisonne miniature in a Monart EA variant shape but probably Vasart, at 95mm Frank. I'm sure not a regular production piece but miniature just the same.
I have also shown a nice little TF which not strictly miniature is only 2.5" in height.
There are other probably a few other shapes which conform to "miniature" status but not mentioned on the list eg I have a Shape N in colourway 42 at 95mm. I would imagine unless people come forward with examples there will never be an accurate list.  
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3401
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3400
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3399

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3398
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3397

Keith
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 23, 2006, 02:32:35 PM
Thanks for that Keith, I have updated the above list to include the N and RG size. I have also updated the online catalogues with those two.

I will only add the size code when a labelled example is given. Where an unlabelled piece is measured, I always use the ? for size code.

RG sizes look a bit odd now. I use nominal metric conversions but for RG I put the 104 instead of 100 that I usually use for 4 inches. There is no value in exact measurements, as a rule, as I find a variation of quarter an inch not uncommon with labelled pieces. However beacuse it fits into a group of measured items I decided to leave it at the 104mm for now.

Does your TF conform to size IX 5.5 inches diameter?

The EA is fascinating as it not a Vasart shape that is listed yet, have you compared it Vasart cloisonnes? I agree it looks likely Vasart. Can you send me some larger pics. Others are shown here:
http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/YsartSpecial2.htm
and here:
http://www.ysartglass.com/Pinup/YsartPinup200405.htm ( :oops: Time to catch up on the pin-ups)
Title: Monart Miniatures
Post by: MHJ02 on September 23, 2006, 03:08:09 PM
Well I'll be darned, Keith - fancy you having an RG as well.   Has Gary sent you a photo of my RG?  If yours cost as much as I've just paid out for mine, don't think I could afford another one!!!!!    :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  I'd include a photo of mine on this site - but can't get my head around how to do it.   I think the EA cloisonne is stunning, whether it's Monart or Vasart doesn't really matter, it's an exciting piece.

The miniature GE and QC I have are both labelled - if you want photos, Frank, I'd have to e/mail them to you.

I hope other Monart collectors will read this thread and feel the urge to contribute.

Regards
Mary
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 23, 2006, 04:17:40 PM
If the labels are codes not in the catalogue... yes please. I just need to see the labels, you can also post in the ysart gallery.

http://www.ysartglass.com/gallery/index.php not had much use yet 8)
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: luckyslap on September 23, 2006, 05:50:22 PM
Yes the TF is 5.5"dia Frank and I will send you pictures of the cloisonne as soon as I can.
Mary, I did buy my RG a few years ago so I am pleased to see there has been a five fold increase in price, yipeeee!!!
It's funny what you find when you least expect it. I looked at my TB and discovered it is a non catalogue sized label and is just under 3.25"in height. Also my GE size XII has a colourway 397 (that's what I think it is)
I will have to look over all my labelled pieces now and check the catalogue!!
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3403
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3402
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3405
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3404
Keith
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 23, 2006, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: "luckyslap"

I will have to look over all my labelled pieces now and check the catalogue!!


Please do, everyone else too...

Also for this page http://www.ysartglass.com/Moncat/PageLabel.htm  :D  :D  :D please
Title: Monart Miniatures
Post by: MHJ02 on September 24, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
Hi Frank

I've worked out how to use the Glass site so will up-load some photos/labels.  I'll also include photos of some pieces with labels that you don't seem to have.   It might take me a little while whilst I get my head around how to file/displays the items    :roll:  :!:  :!:
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: nigel benson on September 26, 2006, 10:04:11 PM
Hello Everyone,

I began reading this thread before going off to do the Cambridge Glass Fair. Now that I have had a chance to update myself I have to say that I am still confused by the suggested size of 100mm being the qualification for a Monart miniature.

Firstly, Monart was made in Scotland during a time that inches prevailed as a unit of measurement, so surely it would be more correct to use the original unit of manufacture? This would have the advantage of not having tiny increments of 1mm to take into account, helping to avoid confusion. I am also with Bernard on this when he suggests that the original unit of production should be used, whatever the country, with the alternative placed in brackets (whichever that might be).

I would value clarification on these points - especially as I have a vase for sale that is less than 4" high, and have had for some time and it has been consistently ignored by Monart collectors as being a potential miniature.

I am also confused as I cannot understand whether this discussion is referring to the samples that were taken around by the 'sales reps', or is an entirely different one about a nominal suggested size that can be used to define what is a miniature?

I have compared a 2 3/4" vase with an equivalent 4" vase and there is a huge difference in scale between the two. Does that therefore mean we should include both sizes - or is it wishful thinking that a 4" (or less) item is in fact a Monart miniature?? I have always believed that 3" and below was the definition of a Monart 'sample', and therefore a miniature.

As for bowls being included or not, I totally concur about excluding pin dishes (shape Y), but how many really small shape O's has anyone seen for example? I am aware of two, both of which I have always considered to be samples (therefore miniatures), particularly since they are in scale with the vases of 3" and below. By-the-by bowls necessarily have to have a larger diameter than 3" as there seems to be a natural correlation of scale when that is taken into account.

I will try to post a photo that I hope will interest you all :)

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3437

Hooray success :D  

Nigel
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 26, 2006, 11:48:01 PM
We are talking production sizes and as Monart sizes are arbitrary it does not really matter if you use metric or imperial. I generally prefer metric for general discussion and most people that contact me tend to give metric measurement these days. For the catalogues I do give the old sizes with a standardised approximation in metric alongside.

Who were these sales reps? The only 'Sales rep' pieces I ever saw were fakes. They were not very successful with possibly no more than 4 or 5 outlets in the entire UK! Or do you know something else Nigel?

As I clearly stated the whole concept of miniature is arbitrary and this thread is possibly creating that definition where none existed before. No reason why not and it has certainly stimulated interesting discussions.
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: luckyslap on September 27, 2006, 01:03:32 PM
Hi Nigel,
Good to hear your comments which were interesting as ever. However can you clarify what you mean by a really small Shape O? Is this one smaller in diameter than Size XI (3.75")?
I liked the display in your photograph but the picture quality was lacking a bit as I couldn't make out any of the price labels :?  :?  :wink:

Keith
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: nigel benson on September 27, 2006, 01:19:31 PM
Hi All,

The purpose of my last post was to engender discussion about something that seems to have just been stated at the beginning of the thread.

“Since I started collecting Monart, I have always hunted out the miniature vases. Anything under 100mm high. “

Reading this thread it would appear that folk are accepting the use of 4” (100mm) as the definition and generally discussing what they own, not the definition of a miniature.

Having re-read the thread I seem to have missed your statement about the concept being arbitory Frank, perhaps you would be kind enough to point it out for this particular thick ‘un?

It has long been believed that there were small wooden suitcases taken to retailers with samples housed in compartments, indeed I understand that one of the suitcases used is known to exist up in Scotland. I therefore referred to ‘sales reps’ and put that title in parenthesis to indicate my loose use of the term.

In other areas of the antique world it would not be acceptable to have a range of different sizes as miniature – it would be the smallest - 4” (100mm), is not generally regarded as miniature in my experience. Try looking at Ruskin or Moorcroft and suggesting 4” (100mm) as a miniature, for instance.

I asked a collector to help out with the illustrations, not having a 4” (100mm) example of Monart to hand it was substituted with Vasart. I have now been supplied with a second photo:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3446

You will note that the larger pieces are all 4” (100mm) high, whether Monart or Vasart, whereas the shape SA in the middle is 2 3/8” (60mm) high. The sense of size, and therefore scale, between the two seems self-explanatory, moreover the 4” (100mm) represents two sizes above the smallest in Monart terms. See the previous picture for the red, black and aventurine shape C example for the intermediate size.

I cannot believe that Monart is the exception in the antique world where anything but the smallest item made by a company might be considered as miniature. How is it possible to allow three size increments ALL to be miniature? Surely one’s reaction on being confronted by the item should be “WOW!! That’s tiny.” not, “Oh, that’s small.”?

I'm afraid I have never subscribed to Vasart pieces of 4" (100mm) as being miniature :(  They are production ware that was produced in large numbers for a particular market and are small versions of larger items on the whole.  Unless you include the small surface decorated baskets, I cannot think of a Vasart piece that could be considered in the catagory of miniature in the same way that the antique or decorative arts world would :cry:

I felt that I had to enter this discussion, if only as devil's advocate, but unfortunately I will not be able to continue as I am about to go off for 7 - 10 days. I look forward with interest to reading people's comments when I return.

Nigel
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 27, 2006, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: "nigel benson"
I cannot believe that Monart is the exception in the antique world where anything but the smallest item made by a company might be considered as miniature. How is it possible to allow three size increments ALL to be miniature?


Vasart made a range for the postwar gift trade which in some way parallels the Goss ranges. I to might not classify them as miniature but yet again I always had my sub "In the region of 100mm or thereabouts" pieces, displayed en-masse regardless of Mon/Vas/Str origins. The only problem being that a massed collection of the the Vas's would tend to dominate.

Shape O is a good point so added to the list.

Getting into cafe mode....

We aren't talking about the antique world just that rarified world of Monart :lol:  As to three sizes of miniature... we could decide to call them
Dad miniature, Mum miniature and Babe Miniature. Why not? Or Gary, Keith and Nigel for that matter. Of course if you get into doll's house glassware, how big would a miniature be then? But then as far as I know they never produced a doll's house range.
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 27, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
Of course I then had to add in the 2 smallest Y's. For fairness.

If your customers are ignoring them Nigel, perhaps you are not marketting them right! As we can now see several people do get excited by these small pieces and of course small is never a good description. So put in the centre front of display with a small card reading "Miniature" - treble the ticket price and send me a 30% commission please. :D

Or did Keith and Mary just clean you out  8)
Title: Miniatures
Post by: MHJ02 on September 27, 2006, 08:37:15 PM
What a fascinating subject miniatures has become.   And no, Frank, I haven't cleaned Nigel B out yet - but I'm thinking about it  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Must admit my interpretation of miniature is around 3".   As for bowls, as I think I previously mentioned, I have a GE at just under 3.25", so presume this qualifies it as a miniature, or does it?

The RG at 104 mm doesn't look like a miniature and I'm quite happy to call it a small vase.    

Monart Glass isn't an exact science where sizes are concerned and I believe the majority of collectors will be happy just to have a few small ones in their collection, be it 3", 3.5" or 4.0"  - I know I am, but there's not that many around to collect.   So Keith if you fancy selling me yours at a reasonable price - well then :wink: !!!

Regards
Mary
Title: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on September 27, 2006, 11:16:02 PM
OK Mary, GE added. I can see we have quite a few more sizes to be added to the catalogue pages again! Great result.

Anyone else got some?

Almost all of mine went to Parkington as a single lot, I think.
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on June 22, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
This is my collection of Monart miniatures and small pieces.
1/ O shape 10cm wide. 2/ BJ shape 6.5cm tall. 3/ Y shape 9.5cm wide. 4/ A shape 7cm tall. 5/ GE shape 8cm wide. 6/ Y shape 10cm wide.
7/ QJ shape 6.5cm tall. 8/ GE shape 11.5cm wide. 9/ BJ shape 6.5cm tall. 10/ SA shape 7.5cm tall. 11/ KI shape 9cm tall.
12/ GG shape 9.5cm tall. 13/ MB shape 10.5cm wide. 13/ TB shape 8cm tall.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: RAY on June 22, 2011, 08:11:04 PM
do the mini ones still have the raised pontil mark as there big brothers?
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on June 22, 2011, 08:41:55 PM
The GE, BJ and the Y shapes have a raised pontil, the SA, A, and the KI are polished flat the O, GG, TB and MB have applied feet with the pontil mark polished concave, the QJ has an applied foot polished flat.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on June 22, 2011, 09:52:07 PM
Hi Gary, nice collection of mini pieces , though number 12 you have as shape GG doesnt quite do it for me, foot colour and shape and too much clear glass above applied foot ect seems wrong to me for a piece of Monart, i do however remember visiting a house in Perth area some years back owned by a so called dealer who had some other pieces with similar applied feet in same colours including so called genuine mushroom lamps with same feet and same colourway, when i mentioned that the lamps and fittings and feet didnt add up i was assured that they were apprentice pieces of Monart hahahahaha, needless to say i left empty handed but sporting a grin that would make the cheshire cat of Alice In Wonderland toothless
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on June 22, 2011, 10:47:35 PM
I agree with Gary on 12 Gary. But oozing at 11  :sc: a VERY nice set.
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on June 23, 2011, 01:40:15 PM
I bought (on a absentee bid) the candlestick holder (no.12) along with a ZA shaped bowl and two pieces of Vasart in one lot from Bonham's over a year ago.
In the catalogue it is listed as Monart, when it arrived I had some doubts about it's authenticity, due to the thickness of the glass and the black applied foot, though it does have a full Monart Glass label reading X+ GG 156. Though the label does look a bit clean and fresh for being over 70 years old.
The KI powder bowl (no.11) was purchased from a vendor in New York State for what I thought a fair price of £144.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on June 23, 2011, 05:23:43 PM
KI LL

4 it  :P
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: paulbowen on June 23, 2011, 06:38:08 PM
Frank, we've got some over here, from memory I think 3 Monarts and 2 Vasarts.  I will e-mail you directly to see if you might be interested in them.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 24, 2011, 09:12:44 AM
 :t:
I have a Monart miniature I don't need  :sun: - exactly the same as the one third from the left in Nigel's pic here, marginally under 3" tall.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3437


Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on June 29, 2011, 08:18:55 PM
Frank and Gary I appreciated your candid views on the candlestick holder with that in mind and my initial doubts, I am now convinced it is not a Monart piece.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on June 29, 2011, 08:30:13 PM
Gary
      when you hold the candlestick up to light is the foot a really dark blue or purple??????
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on June 29, 2011, 09:45:37 PM
95% sure the applied foot is black, not unlike the shade of black vitrolite glass.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on June 29, 2011, 09:52:19 PM
ok, just i have a piece here that has applied foot that looks black until you hold it up to daylight and is actually very very dark blue
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on August 23, 2012, 02:00:01 PM
Just received my latest Monart miniature, it is shape OJ colour code 162 and stands 8cm tall, the applied foot has a green tinge to it. A bit of a bargain at 20.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: nigel benson on August 24, 2012, 11:30:06 AM
Never seen that shape used for a miniature before. A very nice find at an extrordinary price!!

Nigel
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on August 24, 2012, 08:32:17 PM
I have seen one other OJ miniature with the added bonus of it having a full Monart Glass label. This was 2 years ago at my local auction house, with an estimate of 50-80 and sold for 90 hammer price. Permission given to use image.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: helenaJ on August 25, 2012, 05:06:05 PM
I have a distinct feeling that's the one I bought Gary!!!!!   Let me think about it - oh yes definitely mine!!!!!   

Mary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: helenaJ on August 25, 2012, 05:10:45 PM
Here's a picture of another Monart miniature, shape C, unusual colouring.   
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on August 26, 2012, 07:42:33 PM
The one I seen was at the Perth 800 year celebration sale at L Burns, if that's the one, I did not bid on it though I did think about doing so. The image below is the piece I wanted and bought at that sale.
Never seen a Monart miniature with a white inner, nice shape and colour.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: helenaJ on August 26, 2012, 07:53:58 PM
Definitely the same one - you've now jogged my memory.  It's a bit frustrating with all receipts/docs in storage !!

I remember that piece you bought - I didn't bid on it but was drooling heavily as  I wanted it but couldn't afford it!!

The lilac miniature was purchased through EBay a long time ago and came via Australia.   Paid a lot for it too, but that's another story/

Mary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Frank on August 27, 2012, 12:05:02 AM
Had a couple with whitish inner, jug and sugar bowl... cane decoration. I sold one of the pair a couple of years ago... one day will add the pics... non-catalogue pieces.
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on August 27, 2012, 11:17:30 AM
Another Monart OJ miniature (colour code 364) from the same vendor that I purchased mine from.Though he has raised the starting price by 10, this still  is a good price (IMHO).
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Monart-Vase-Miniature-/120973565563?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item1c2a961e7b
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on August 29, 2012, 01:01:45 PM
One more Monart miniature (shape A colour code 260). I was told by the auction house that it was 2 inches tall with no damage. I had a couple of bids on it (on line) but dropped out at 50 and was sold for 90 hammer price.
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/elgin-auction-centre/catalogue-id-2865644/lot-15155575
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on August 29, 2012, 04:47:38 PM
Two Ysart glass miniatures the first one is a Monart shape BB colour code 390 and is 6cm tall. I viewed this piece, I decided not to bid on it due to a small chip (about 1mm) on the rim.
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19868/lot/74/?page_anchor=MR1_page_lots%3D8%26r1%3D10%26m1%3D1
The second one (IMHO) is Vasart or Strathearn, though listed as Monart, the vendor does say he is not 100 per cent sure.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Miniature-Monart-Glass-Vase-Mottled-Green-With-Gold-Inclusions-Trumpet-Shape-/120977274645?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item1c2aceb715
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on August 30, 2012, 05:55:05 PM
One more Monart miniature (shape A colour code 260). I was told by the auction house that it was 2 inches tall with no damage. I had a couple of bids on it (on line) but dropped out at 50 and was sold for 90 hammer price.
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/elgin-auction-centre/catalogue-id-2865644/lot-15155575
Gary
now thats a little cracker, a proper minature too, best piece ive seen in a long time, Grrrr i want it, and a good price too for what it is
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on August 30, 2012, 06:31:28 PM
Two Ysart glass miniatures the first one is a Monart shape BB colour code 390 and is 6cm tall. I viewed this piece, I decided not to bid on it due to a small chip (about 1mm) on the rim.
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19868/lot/74/?page_anchor=MR1_page_lots%3D8%26r1%3D10%26m1%3D1
The second one (IMHO) is Vasart or Strathearn, though listed as Monart, the vendor does say he is not 100 per cent sure.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Miniature-Monart-Glass-Vase-Mottled-Green-With-Gold-Inclusions-Trumpet-Shape-/120977274645?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item1c2aceb715
Gary

the second one is defo Vasart, the monart with the chip  made crazy money , if it hadnt been damaged then i would have had a good go at it,
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on August 30, 2012, 06:41:33 PM
One more Monart miniature (shape A colour code 260). I was told by the auction house that it was 2 inches tall with no damage. I had a couple of bids on it (on line) but dropped out at 50 and was sold for 90 hammer price.
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/elgin-auction-centre/catalogue-id-2865644/lot-15155575
Gary
the colour code isnt 260, more like 474, but cant be sure
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 30, 2012, 06:44:39 PM
Poor little thing is suffocated by the nasty sticker.  :'( The chipped one is rather gorgeous colours though
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on August 30, 2012, 07:54:21 PM
My mistake I should have said colour code 473 not 260.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on August 30, 2012, 08:01:17 PM
My mistake I should have said colour code 473 not 260.
Gary
im thinking more 474 as 473 doesnt have gold adventurine nor green though 474 does
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on August 30, 2012, 08:26:03 PM
I am going to have to disagree with you Gary, the link below is from the I Turner sale and the colour scheme is described as pink and blue with splashes of green and adventurine.
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-vii-wh-473-lidded-jar-4149259-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4149259&sid=17245e69-8685-442e-adfd-c54f0ac95a54
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on August 30, 2012, 08:36:11 PM
mmmm ok, suppose more like it than 260 ;D
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on September 03, 2012, 08:47:52 AM
Another Monart OJ miniature (colour code 364) from the same vendor that I purchased mine from.Though he has raised the starting price by 10, this still  is a good price (IMHO).
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Monart-Vase-Miniature-/120973565563?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item1c2a961e7b
Gary
This vase sold for a reasonable (IMHO) 63.62.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on August 16, 2013, 07:02:30 PM
Below are the latest additions to my  miniatures and small Monart pieces.
1&2 CG candlestick holders
3&4 QJ candlestick holders
5 ZH ashtray
6&7 MB sundae dishes.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: millarart on August 16, 2013, 07:08:05 PM
Below are the latest additions to my  miniatures and small Monart pieces.
1&2 CG candlestick holders
3&4 QJ candlestick holders
5 ZH ashtray
6&7 MB sundae dishes.
Gary
very nice,
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on September 27, 2014, 09:23:02 AM
Three additions to my  miniatures and small Monart pieces.
The vase is my first piece in the Wedding gift colour scheme and is just over three inches tall.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: orangeglass on September 27, 2014, 11:29:36 PM
Nice one Gary - I saw that and thought it would look lovely next to my "eggcup"  ;D ;) (okay, I know it's not an eggcup but that's how I think of it - might fit a duck egg!)

Strictly speaking mine is not a miniature as it is just the smallest size of shape QC at 3" high (size XI)

Wouldn't they go well together  ;D
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on July 21, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
Hi

Would it be possible to find shape PH as a miniature, I found a piece recently which looks like shape PH and is under 100mm . I will add some picture later when I get home.

Roy
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on July 21, 2015, 05:55:46 PM
Hi

Would it be possible to find shape PH as a miniature, I found a piece recently which looks like shape PH and is under 100mm . I will add some picture later when I get home.

Roy
Hi Roy, when you post the images could you post one of the base.
It is very possible Monart made the shape PH in miniature size, to date I have not seen one. It may be a Vasart piece as they made miniature vases very similar to the Monart PH shape or the worst case it is a fake. I have seen fake Monart miniatures similar to the PH shape.
Without seeing images of the vase it is not possible to tell who the maker is.
Gary
PS could you measure the height of the vase
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on July 21, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
Hi Gary

I was just to about to add some pictures when you replied , coming up shortly

Roy
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on July 21, 2015, 06:07:05 PM
Hi

4 pictures the height of the vase is between 97 and 99mm depending on what part of the rim.  There looks to be some gold aventurine as well

Thanks Roy
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on July 21, 2015, 06:22:24 PM
Definetly a Monart piece and the colour code is 453.
Nice find.
Gary
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on July 21, 2015, 07:01:41 PM
Thanks Gary for confirming its is Monart. I did look at Vasart shapes and as you said some are very similar.

Thanks again Roy
Title: Re: Where are the Monart miniatures?
Post by: Gary on June 11, 2016, 01:05:18 PM
Below is the latest addition to my Monart miniature collection. It is a non catalogued size (3.5 inches tall ) the shape code is FB colour code 428 (green bottom and clear top with gold aventurine).
The second image is for comparison, both vases are shape FB the large one is 13 inches tall and the miniature is 3.5 inches tall.
Gary