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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: Chris Harrison on September 28, 2006, 10:31:38 AM

Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query - ID=Pavel Pánek design for Sklo Union
Post by: Chris Harrison on September 28, 2006, 10:31:38 AM
Does anyone know who designed this vase?

http://www.marikan-maljakot.com/gallery/maljakot/000563.htm

I've seen this particular vase attributed to Sklo Union (Peceny and Vizner) a number of times, but never seen one with an Iittala label before.

Any help gratefully received.

TIA
Chris
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 28, 2006, 11:55:04 AM
I'd be inclined to think this attribution was correct. Have you seen the rest of her website (and her collection). It's fabulous (and bilingual) :D  :D
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Sklounion on September 28, 2006, 12:03:19 PM
Hi Chris,

Both attributions are incorrect, as is one for this vase, as a Rene Roubicek design.

I cannot explain the iittala label, but clearly this is a Pavel Pánek design for Sklo Union, Heřmanova Hut’, from 1971, pattern number 20218, sizes 165 and 210mm. Only the 165mm variant was exhibited at Gottwaldov in 1972, catalogue number 254. Not illustrated in the catalogue.
It was, however, in both variants, illustrated in the Pavel Pánek retrospective catalogue, published by RMT, 1995, plate no 4.

Unless iittala bought the moulds, (unlikely imho) then this label has been added in error.

Regards,

Marcus
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Chris Harrison on September 28, 2006, 01:41:56 PM
Thanks, all  - especially Marcus, of course!

I have a version of this vase that is bang on 200 mm tall, and it has the typical Czech deep indented base with ground rim (I can't bring myself to call it a birdbath base, perhaps because I have an old Boots' porcelain bedpan performing that function in my garden - althought the birds don't seem to mind).  But I digress...

I must say that the quality of the metal of my vase is really very, very good. Clear and bright with no flaws or bubbles at all.

Dontcha hate folks who muck about with sticky labels...?
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Chris Harrison on September 28, 2006, 01:44:35 PM
Oops, sorry Christine.  Yes, it's a very nice site, and I learned a lot from it.  I think I've identified a couple of my unknowns from it.

Sigh...  Only so many hours in a day...
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Della on September 28, 2006, 01:58:47 PM
Quote from: "Chris"
I must say that the quality of the metal of my vase is really very, very good. Clear and bright with no flaws or bubbles at all.


 :?  :?  I am really very confused now.....metal....bubbles..... :oops:
Is it just not my day today??
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Pip on September 28, 2006, 02:17:10 PM
Hiya Chris, I have one the same in my shop - I agree they're fabulous, it's one of my favourite Sklo pieces.  I'm confused about why anyone would put an Iittala label on one of these - it's so typically Sklo IMO, positively screams of it.  Anyway, I love 'em :-)
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Ivo on September 28, 2006, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: "Deltab"
:?  :?  I am really very confused now.....metal....bubbles..... :oops: Is it just not my day today??


you may have been thrown by the word "metal" which glass technicians use to describe the glass itself.
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Della on September 28, 2006, 02:52:41 PM
Quote from: "Ivo"
you may have been thrown by the word "metal" which glass technicians use to describe the glass itself.

 
Yes, I was Ivo. Thanks for the explanation.  :)
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Marika on September 28, 2006, 03:04:24 PM
Hi

It's nice that Marcus informed me about this vase that isn't Iittala's vase
even if it has Iittala's sticker.
When I bought that I assumed that I was Iittala's vase even when Iittala couldn't identify that vase. Sometimes some vase had been made for some company and that's why it hasn't been in normal catalogs. I thaought that was the case now. And boy was I wrong. :cry:

I will remove that picture on next update.

Marika
http://www.marikan-maljakot.com/
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Sklounion on September 28, 2006, 03:14:22 PM
Marika,

Welcome to the board.

Thank you for the rapid response. It is sad that labels are sometimes  applied to deceive.
It is still a nice vase, and worth holding on to.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Chris Harrison on September 28, 2006, 03:20:22 PM
Quite right, Marcus.
It most certainly is worth holding on to!

Pip.  I'm with you on that.  This vase really sparkles and catches the eye.  


Sorry, Della.  I did a bit of glass-blowing the other week and that's the word everyone was using.
 
Note to self:  Stop being pretentious when talking to real people.  :-)
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Pip on September 28, 2006, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: "Marika"
Hi

It's nice that Marcus informed me about this vase that isn't Iittala's vase
even if it has Iittala's sticker.
When I bought that I assumed that I was Iittala's vase even when Iittala couldn't identify that vase. Sometimes some vase had been made for some company and that's why it hasn't been in normal catalogs. I thaought that was the case now. And boy was I wrong. :cry:

I will remove that picture on next update.

Marika
http://www.marikan-maljakot.com/


Hiya Marika, I'd say it's perfectly understandable and reasonable to assume that a sticker is correct (even when it's not) so don't feel bad about it - I think your site is fabulous and I'm positive if you took a look at mine you'll find a few dodgy attributions  :oops:
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Marika on September 28, 2006, 04:35:24 PM
Hi Pip

My heart is broken, there wasn't any Iittala on your site :roll:
Well, I just got my newest vase about half an hour ago so mayby I shouldn't think about shopping. :lol:

Marika

http://www.marikan-maljakot.com/
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 28, 2006, 05:59:10 PM
Welcome Marika. Nice to see you here. Perhaps you'll have to start a Czech vase collection!! :D  :D
Title: Iittala/Sklo Union vase query
Post by: Pip on September 29, 2006, 07:35:45 AM
Quote from: "Marika"
Hi Pip
My heart is broken, there wasn't any Iittala on your site :roll:
Well, I just got my newest vase about half an hour ago so mayby I shouldn't think about shopping. :lol:
Marika
http://www.marikan-maljakot.com/


I do have Iittala from time to time but it's one of the makes that sells virtually as soon as it's put up for sale - very popular stuff.  Oooooh what did you buy?  Show us a piccie ....  :D