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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: pamela on November 27, 2006, 08:46:26 PM

Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo... ID = Rosice
Post by: pamela on November 27, 2006, 08:46:26 PM
This one now belongs to a friend here in Hamburg and we feel mixed...

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150052618697


http://www.buntglas-hamburg.de/index.php?option=com_ponygallery&Itemid=26&func=detail&id=177

It seems to be Jobling in every respect but bears two marks at the base: one seems to be etched: TCHECOS....
the other one pressed high TCHECOS....

Anyone any idea?

Thank you as always  :)
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: B & M on November 27, 2006, 09:28:26 PM
Pamela, a fascinating mystery. I am afraid I can add very little. I agree, the figure appears identical to the early Jobling Ballerina figure (she was later modified with longer legs & a shorter skirt, see Baker & Crowe pp57-8.) Apparently the original mould was made in France.

Is there any chance of seeing a photograph of the marks? I do have a pressed glass fish figure which has a relief moulded mark 'TCHECO - SLOVAQUIE'. There's a slim chance it could be from the same maker, not that I know who that is yet!

Steven

Reference: Baker & Crowe 1985 A Collectors Guide to Jobling 1930s Decorative Glass Tyne & Wear Museums
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: pamela on November 27, 2006, 09:38:43 PM
thank you so far Steven! Anja of Buntglas-Hamburg will ask her son to upload the photos of the mark - I've seen them and they will lead further I do hope! I return to this asap!
Thanks again  :D
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: Sklounion on November 27, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
Hi, Steven and Pamela,
The issues regarding these marks are manifold.
Raised marks seem to appear mainly on  Reich and Rindskopf pieces, the acid etched on many. Yet only this week we have another variant on relief lettering, by an as yet un-identified maker. In this case, are we looking at a copy from a better quality European maker, of the original French design???
Regards,
Marcus
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: pamela on November 28, 2006, 12:32:40 PM
http://www.buntglas-hamburg.de/index.php?option=com_ponygallery&Itemid=26&func=detail&id=200

Anja is very grateful for your comments  :D
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: Tigerchips on November 28, 2006, 04:38:05 PM
The first word looks like it has a letter "K" in it so perhaps "Czechoslavakis" or "Czechoslovakis"?

The second word could be "Tchecoslovaquie"? as Steven has suggested.
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: pamela on November 28, 2006, 06:50:54 PM
Anja is working on a better photo and I shall see the item firstly next weekend and shall report  :wink:
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: B & M on November 29, 2006, 06:52:47 PM
hello Pamela,

I've had a look at the picture of the mark. Unfortunately it is unlike any of the marks on my pieces so I can't add a great deal.

It is still a very intriguing item. It does appear to be an exact match to the Jobling figure, leading me now to question whether other examples I have seen in the past were genuine Jobling production or not.

Very confusing  :?

Steven
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: Tony H on November 29, 2006, 07:47:07 PM
Pamela
Here are two links to a figurine just like the one Anja has. I have since sold this one.

I have given some details about this one with the photo, the details were found in the records in London for me by Geoff Timberlake.

Czechosloviakia with a T (TCZECHOSLIVAKIA) I have seen this on glass ware myself and I am sure it is for glass exported from Czechislovakia to France, I can not remember how I found this out, maybe this board !!!

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4250

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4249

Tony H in NZ
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: pamela on November 29, 2006, 09:21:34 PM
is it the same please  :?:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,8374.0.html
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: Tony H on November 29, 2006, 09:33:12 PM
Pamela
Yes this as far as I can tell from photo it is the same as my green uranium piece.

Tony H in NZ
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: Sklounion on November 30, 2006, 08:34:51 AM
Here is an example of a mark, to the base of a piece for export to France:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4267.
Documented vase, so no question as to who used this mark for this item.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: pamela on November 30, 2006, 05:05:53 PM
Tony please, there must be a knot in our threads - I am still talking about the Jobling Ballerina  :?
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: Tony H on November 30, 2006, 07:45:50 PM
Pamela
Sorry a senior moment I forgot yours was a Ballerina figurine.

Tony H in NZ
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: B & M on November 30, 2006, 09:55:36 PM
again, it's another long shot but i remembered this figure & bowl that I had seen previously:
http://www.antiquecentreworldwide.com/items.php?items_category_id=350&first_item=45

I had always assumed it to be a marriage; however,it is a good colour match and with the discovery of the Czech ballerina, I'm thinking that there is a faint possibility that this is a matched set, all made in Czechoslovakia. Certainly if anyone can recognise the make of the bowl it gives a possible starting point.

Steven
Title: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: pamela on December 01, 2006, 10:08:42 PM
I shall not notice on her provenance  8)

best I can tell is that Anja's photos are the nmaximum to retrieve!

fact is: there are two acid etched marks

both say
TCHECOSLOV

the rest is out of sight and unreadable I am afraid
 the upper one is 'blank' in matt, the lower obviously made BEFORE matting the whole item
 :twisted:
Title: Re: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo... ID Rosice
Post by: Sklounion on April 15, 2008, 03:15:01 PM
Hi,
Another long wait, of eighteen months, is finally over.........

ID is Rosice, though whether produced while the factory was owned by Vaclav Hrdina, or slightly later, when owned by Bedrich Vrtal, I cannot say for sure.
The ballerina is from a set, pattern number 2483, consisting of figurine, bowl and plinth. Certainly still made in the late 1950s.

Regards,

Marcus
Title: Re: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo...
Post by: pamela on April 15, 2008, 04:29:12 PM
Marcus, that's another fantastic find - THANK YOU!  :hiclp:
Title: Re: A Jobling? Ballerina signed Tchecoslo... ID = Rosice
Post by: pamela on April 15, 2008, 07:12:44 PM
http://www.buntglas-hamburg.de/index.php?option=com_ponygallery&Itemid=26&func=detail&id=177
Thank you Marcus !