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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Scandinavian Glass => Topic started by: Wayne on February 01, 2005, 03:18:12 PM

Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Wayne on February 01, 2005, 03:18:12 PM
Hi all!

I've come across a geode like dish, which I'm pretty sure is by Flygsfors, but I can't quite make out the signature.  It ends with the number 32, so made in 1932?  As I understand it this is too early for Paul Kedelv, and I haven't a clue on other designers there!

I hope somebody recognises it:

(http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/auctions/flygsfors_geodegal.jpg)

Let me know if more pics are needed.
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Sklounion on February 01, 2005, 07:16:36 PM
Wayne, this is probably an abortive attempt, but does that say Strombergshyttan...... if not, this looks Finnish.... Nuutajaarvi Njotso, perhaps????
Marcus
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Wayne on February 01, 2005, 08:12:46 PM
Hi Marcus, thanks for your reply.  It doesn't look like any of those you mention I'm afraid.  The last half of the signature looks like it could be "flygsfors et 32", and also the first letter looks like a "P" then a space followed by a lot of squiggles!!  Maybe "P Keinl...something"?  It's definately not Paul Kedelv though.

I'm quite suprised at the "32" if it means 1932, it definately looks more 1960's to me, but I'm no expert on scandinavian glass.
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Sklounion on February 01, 2005, 08:21:11 PM
Tmaritta is the acknowledged wizard on these things.......
Marcus
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: tmaritta on February 01, 2005, 10:13:06 PM
Thanks Marcus, but I am afraid I don't know Swedish glass that well at all.  I think a better picture of the signature might help.

By the way, I found a book about Swedish glass factories (production catalogues 1915-1960) on the web.  The price is a bit steep, $185, but seems to be a pretty comprehensive reference book with 20,000 pieces of glass.  Text is in English, German and Swedish.  Here is the link if anybody is interested:
http://www.imageexchange.com/books/3712.shtml
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Wayne on February 01, 2005, 10:49:46 PM
Ok I managed to get a clearer picture, hope it helps:

http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/auctions/signature.jpg

Hi Tmaritta, that book looks very interesting, pity about the price!!  I wouldn't mind paying that much for a really useful book, but I'd like to see a review on it first.
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: tmaritta on February 01, 2005, 11:06:00 PM
Wayne, I really think it reads Strömbergshyttan, maybe with the initials of the designer.  What you think is P in the beginning is probably an S, written in an oldfashioned way ( I remember seeing that kind of S in old letters).

Why don't you send the question to the Swedish glass forum (the address of it was in one of the recent entries here).  Most of the people there, I am sure, read and write English.

Cheers,
TMaritta
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Sklounion on February 02, 2005, 06:51:21 AM
Wayne,
Go here:
http://www.potteryglass.com/swedish.htm
Number of examples of Strombergshyttan bowls inc sommerso stuff, with signatures which look the same as on your piece.
Marcus
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2005, 06:57:53 AM
Here's a nice tie in.

If it's Strombergshyttan (which is also my bet) then said book explains their code:

H is "ashtray"
32 would fall in the period 1947 - 1954 (but normally the dates refer to when they are designed, not made - a good seller can be made for years afterwards).

H32 isn't in the book, H34 is - v similar shape.

Re the book - "Swedish Glass Factories Production Catalogues 1915 - 1960" by Helmut Ricke and Lars Thor.

covers almost all the production pieces for Orrefors, Orrefors-Sandvik, Kosta, Eda, Elme and Strombergshyttan for this period.

I got my copy early in collecting swedish glass, and was not immediately impressed (where's all the pretty pictures !) however it's both saved me money in the past spotting Kosta fakes, and identifying bits with illegible signatures, so for my mind it's worth the money.

Taylog1
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Wayne on February 02, 2005, 08:01:01 AM
Thanks everyone!  I can see it's definately Strombergshyttan now.

Marcus - Looks like you were spot on at the beginning!  Sorry I couldn't see it at first.  I've not had any Strombergshyttan pieces before and didn't have a clue what the signature looked like.  Great site link by the way!

Taylog1 - Cheers for the extra info on the piece, and the book.  I'll definately consider getting that book, it does seem very useful (although I do like pretty pictures!).

I don't suppose anyone has any idea of the designer?
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: svazzo on February 17, 2005, 10:56:39 PM
Is this the same Artist signature?
(http://www.svazzo.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/stromh104.jpg)

I recently bought this ashtray, and wasnt sure if it was the same signature as Strombergshyttan? I saw that the # 32 - meant it was from 1947-54, and wanted to know what the # 104 means. Is this a more recent piece?   Thanks!
Javier
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Max on February 17, 2005, 11:08:47 PM
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Svazzo said: recently bought this ashtray, and wasnt sure if it was the same signature as Strombergshyttan? I saw that the # 32 - meant it was from 1947-54, and wanted to know what the # 104 means. Is this a more recent piece? Thanks!


OOoooh Javier!  That is drop dead GORGEOUS!  How big is it?  It's beautiful!

Max xx
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: svazzo on February 17, 2005, 11:46:16 PM
Hi Max!
Thanks, I also like it very much.
It measures 3 3/4" tall x 4 1/2" wide (along the flat cut face).
Javier
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Ivo on February 18, 2005, 06:53:55 AM
Quote from: "svazzo"

I recently bought this ashtray, and wasnt sure if it was the same signature as Strombergshyttan? I saw that the # 32 - meant it was from 1947-54, and wanted to know what the # 104 means. Is this a more recent piece?   Thanks!
Javier


Yes that is another Strömbershyttan glass piece, signed in full. The code H is ashtray (B=vase, E=decanter, F=jamjar etc) and the number refers to the model.  All models were subsequently numbered and thus you can find out the design (though not production) year. Unfortunately I do not have the numbers for ashtrays, but for flower vases the highest number is 111 in 1936;   388 in 1944; 401 in 1947 etc.  So I would assume your ashtray with #32 was designed in the thirties.
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: svazzo on February 18, 2005, 06:40:54 PM
Hi Ivo,
Thanks for the info!
The design # would not be the same as when it was made, but when the design was introduced right?
Javier
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2005, 07:06:57 PM
correct. Some products were better sellers than others, and I do not think there is a record of which product has been in production for how long. It does not matter and you should not want to know in such gruesome detail anyway...
Title: Does anyone recognise the signature? = Strömbergshyttan
Post by: taylog1 on February 18, 2005, 08:26:27 PM
The above book has H91 being designed in 1962, so clearly after then. Unfortunately no idea how much later though.

Note that each letter has it's own number sequence, so B111 (vase) was designed back in 1936.

Taylog1