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I'm dubious myself. I strongly suspect contemporary and possibly something such as Arcoroc or Arcopal.
I'm sure see a lot of these in charity shops.
 :) no apology necessary.

1) I'm glad Judith replied to you.  It helps to know where she and the V&A are at in terms of information they have regarding these pieces.

I don't suppose you could push your luck and ask her for a photograph of another item to do with this silvered glass could you?
Just out of curiosity I'd love to see the plug in the bottom of this particular vase (see link)
and I'd love to know why it appears to have a blue interior in the photographs online:

If it feels too much to ask her something else then don't worry - it's just curiosity on my part as it doesn't look like any of the other vases.

2) By the way, for Paul and anyone else reading, there are some silvered glass items (at least one I've found) shown in the V&A under the  Powell and sons link.  They are probably the other item numbers Judith was referring to in her email to Paul.  But I've not double checked.

Interestingly I've noticed on this one there is what appears to be a date next to the information supplied of (03/27/2003) - I wonder if that is the date the info was added - 15 years ago now?
That one has a Hale Thomson's Patent plug - they date it 1850-1860. 
None of this dating is any help at all in ascertaining whether Thomson was still refining and selling double walled glass after Mellish was arrested in 1851,as it's not based on any research as far as I can see and is just a c. estimate.

The info on this item (also found under Powell's) appears to have been added in 2009:

I don't think the V&A are aware of the court cases evidence.


sorry m  -  I'm obviously guilty of not reading everything  -  in fact presently I've a very heavy head cold and brain not working too well.  apologies for accusing you. :-*
I agree with Christine, the museum's reply adds almost nothing in terms of a definitive conclusion.         I will of course thank Judith Crouch for taking the time to investigate on behalf of the GMB.
Glass / Re: Whitefriars duck - Sky Blue
« Last post by lslee on Yesterday at 12:15:56 PM »
Great thanks Marc
I have three already (arctic, flint and ruby) but have been looking for a sky blue - just wanted to make sure from the photograph
Do you have any idea of price you likely need to pay for one of these?
Hi Paul 
No, it was not me  :)

But thank you so much for letting us know what Judith Crouch from the V&A has said.

I appreciate it, because it is clear that Judith is not aware of the court case evidence from the three cases in 1851 and 1852 - primary source information that has been discovered on this thread.

There have been lots of posts on this thread as you will see :) 
Page 9 is where the info on the court cases was discovered and  started being discussed:,65670.msg367597.html#msg367597

Glass / Re: Whitefriars duck - Sky Blue
« Last post by Marc1976 on Yesterday at 11:49:23 AM »
Yup, it is indeed Sky Blue. Made from 1st February 1978.
Glass / Is this a Nuutajarvi vase?
« Last post by lwerk on Yesterday at 11:38:24 AM »
Hello,I have this vase with a signature that looks like Nuutajarvi,but I cann`t find the model anywhere!
Does anybody know anything about it?
kind regards Lisa
The researcher in question was not M but Drewfind, who is no longer very keen on us! Read from here,65670.msg367664.html#msg367664

M's and Judith's quotes are from the V&A website and obviously the catalogue. Thank you for posting Judith's response, though, unfortunately, it adds nothing to the ongoing work
further to my note re my email to the V. & A.  -  have just received the following reply from the museum..............

""Dear Mr Stirling
Co-incidentally, I am in correspondence with another user of the Glass Message Board who seems to be researching the same subject.
In fact our Varnish/Thomson glass holding are a little more numerous than you have found. They are C.16 through to C.24-1961 and also Circ.248-1965. You can look all these up on our Search the Collections on our website. In essence, my predecessor who catalogued these items was of the view that Powells and other glassworks produced ‘blanks’ for Varnish to complete.
Here are excerpts from some of her cataloguing for our British Galleries:
‘The process of making double-walled silvered glass was patented by Edward Varnish and Frederick Hale Thompson in 1849.  A  number of glassworks, such as that of James Powell & Sons of Whitefriars, London, made the blanks.  A stemmed vase or  goblet shape was formed, with  the glass-blower stopping short of opening out the mouth.  Instead, the top of the vase, still  sealed as a bubble-shape, was reheated and 'dropped' inwards to form a double-walled interior. This plain, undecorated vase  was then supplied to E. Varnish & Co., where it was filled between the walls from the foot end with a solution of silver nitrate  and glucose (in the form of grape juice).  The final stage was to seal the hole in the foot with a metal disc, in this example marked for Varnish's Patent.
The silvered glass exhibited by E. Varnish & Co. fascinated commentators on the 1851 Great Exhibition. Varnish's salvers,  vases, globes and goblets were bold in size and presentation, using non-tarnishing silver, ornamented with coloured casing,  cutting and engraving. The process 'added a richness and beauty of colouring to that material of which few could deem it  capable of receiving' (Illustrated London News ).’
She mentions one of our examples, an inkstand, as having been marked for Lund, whom she says may have patented some further detail of the decoration or mount. William Lund of Fleet Street, London was a family firm of retailers, not a manufacturer but a commissioner of work.
I am unable to advise the source of my former colleague’s reference to Powell as she does not mention it in her cataloguing record. However, it may be that she read p.30 of Wendy Evans, Catherine Ross and Alex Werner: ‘Whitefriars Glass: James Powell & Sons of London’, Museum of London, 1995. This gives a reference to ‘Tallis’s History and Description of the Crystal Palace’ where Tallis remarks:
‘…most of the glass exhibited by them [Mr Varnish and Mr Mellish, Hale Thomson’s second collaborator] was manufactured by Messrs Powell & Co., Whitefriars’.
Yours sincerely
Judith Crouch
 J. M. Crouch (Mrs.)
Ceramics and Glass Section
Department of Sculpture, Metalwork, Ceramics and Glass
Victoria and Albert Museum
London SW7 2RL""

I don't know the identity of the 'other user' from the GMB, or even whether they are researching relevant to this particular thread  -  my thoughts are that it would have been courteous, bearing in mind that I had posted to the effect that I was contacting the museum, to have mentioned their efforts.            Two of us doing the same thing would be considered unnecessary, probably.          Of course, it may well be that their enquiries were in another direction regarding this material.

Anyway, you can see the museum's reply, which indicates only a speculative source of attribution to Powell, but does detail much that we were already aware of in terms of related names associated with this discussion. 

P.S.    I assume it was m (flying free) who contacted the V. & A., since it's in the post immediately prior to mine that there looks to be an identical extract from the museums email to me.
Please let me know, m, if I have that wrong :)
Glass Paperweights / Re: Paperweight for id
« Last post by glasseyed on Yesterday at 10:47:01 AM »
Thanks for the tip, it looks easy to use so I will try it next time.
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