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Another point to clarify:

From the source material I have been through, it seems that everyone takes it for granted that (Frederick) Hale Thomson was a partner to Edward Varnish, at least in 1849 when the Patent for [whatever] was granted. Is there anything to confirm that?

For example, In the Evans, Ross and Werner Whitefriars" book, it is stated in context of the Crystal Palace 1851 Exhibition:
... Mr Varnish and Mr Mellish, Hale Thomson's second collaborator ..."
This could suggest that we accept that Mr Varnish was Mr Thomson's first "collaborator" and all ties between Thomson and Varnish were broken when Thomson began collaborating with Mellish.

Put another way, do we know when the Hale Thomson impressed plug was first used and was it in collaboration with a) E Varnish b) Mr Mellish c) neither of the preceding?

From the information I have seen I am thinking that "a second Patent of 1850" taken out by Thomson was when his own embossed plug was used. But is that correct?
Just for completeness ...

In Reply #25 Mike said:
Re the number scratched on the bottom, if you look hard you should find the same number scratched on the 'plug', I believe it was a way of matching the two. ...  There is more about this in Manley if anyone has a copy to hand.

And in Reply #35, Paul said, with regard to the numbers:
P.S.     don't think I have Manley any more, so don't know what he wrote about this material.

Having reviewed Manley's book for references to Varnish & Co etc., I can say that I saw no information about "matching numbers" relating to the "plug" used for Silvered Glass items.

So, Mike, were you thinking about a general reference to "bottles and their stoppers" or was it specific to "plugs"?
Glass Trinket Sets / Re: Acid etched uranium glass trinket set - Mystery Set 12
« Last post by Anne on Yesterday at 02:59:46 AM »
The Schwepnitz candlestick is different to mystery set 12 - the one with the set has a flange below the cup, but Rippen hasn't that, nor does it appear to have the horizontal bands on the stem that m/s #12 has?  The resemblance between the set tray and the Schwepnitz divided tray are striking though.
Glass Trinket Sets / Re: Glass Trinket Sets website
« Last post by Anne on Yesterday at 02:28:47 AM »
Thanks Jayne, now removed. :)
Glass Trinket Sets / Re: Acid etched uranium glass trinket set - Mystery Set 12
« Last post by Jayne on Yesterday at 02:13:50 AM »
For info, quoting a post by Simba which suggests this set could be by Schwepnitz and I agree it certainly looks possible.

Haha well done Anne....talking of Schwepnitz I think I have further confirmation that mystery set #012 is by Schwepnitz and called Rippen see catalogue picture of candlestick here
which looks like one in you pjcs of mystery set 012
that along with the similarity of the mystery tray and the Schwepnitz divided tray
what do you think ????

GTS Mystery Set Link:
And a cople of other links for interest ...

W. Lund Ink Well

Varnish & Co Paperweight
I may have found the original source of J. Powell being said to be the maker of blanks glass for Varnish & Co. (and perhaps (Frederick) Hale Thomson).

The info has come from a meander through:
Manley ... Decorative Victorian Glass
Hajdamach ... British Glass 1800-1914
Haanstra, Bowey, Lytwyn, (Glass Museum Online) ...Mercury Glass - Silvered Glass from Europe
Ending up with ...
Evans, Ross & Werner ... Whitefriars Glass ... as referenced in the Glass Museum article linked above

The reference in the Whitefriars book is to: "Beard, Mayal et al ... Tallis's History of The Crystal Palace ... 1851, P82"
I am not sure if the page number refers to Beard etc or to Talis's tome. But the basic info is: "indicated by a note in Tallis's History ... " which makes the claim that most of the glass was provided by "Messrs Powell & Co, Whitefriars".

I tried searching Tallis's History ... (it's available online), but my keywords were unsuccessful. Maybe that is a task for "m" (flying free)?

The Glass Museum article makes a positive statement that Whiterfriars Glassworks was the provider of the glass. However, the text in the Whitefriars book does not explicitly state that. Rather, it gives the information about the note in Tallis and goes on to offer additional information as to why Whitefriars Glassworks could have been the provider - based on consistency of colours of the glass used to case the "Mercury Glass" items.
It's quite similar to Czech Stolzle Hermanova Hut pattern no 19113.
Oooh! Yes it is, thanks Jayne, that's a great find. How did I manage to miss that?!
Glass Trinket Sets / Re: Candlesticks with heavy angular ridges - ID, please?
« Last post by Jayne on Yesterday at 01:53:39 AM »
And another thread for merging, sorry my modify post time ran out.,50522.0.html Mod: merged into this topic
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