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Title: Uredale glass studio
Post by: Sue C on May 02, 2007, 03:34:39 PM
www.uredale.co.uk select uredale glass some interesting stuff including, paperweights, lights, and even an elephant, might answer a few questions or just add another place for is it a Murano answer.
Title: Re: glass studio
Post by: Anne on May 03, 2007, 03:15:19 PM
Ooohhh I have one of his baubles hanging in my window.

They are a really nice couple - I met them at the 1st Northern Glass Fair - they do some lovely stuff.   8)

My bauble: http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-677
Title: Re: glass studio
Post by: josordoni on May 03, 2007, 03:17:19 PM
Did they sign your piece Anne.... cos I think I ought to keep my eyes open for the mushrooms and hephalump....

Title: Re: glass studio
Post by: Anne on May 03, 2007, 03:31:36 PM
Nope, it's not signed Lynne. I seem to recall some of the more expensive pieces were but I'm not absolutely certain.  I love the hephalump too :)
Title: Re: glass studio
Post by: josordoni on May 03, 2007, 03:36:24 PM
It drives me mad!

I KNOW that these small studio pieces are all going to be coming into the secondary market in the coming years, and we are all going to be scratching our heads over who made them.  Because a lot of the studio production is, whilst not identical, very very similar!

Why the heck can't they just SIGN the darn things???

 ::)
Title: Re: Uredale glass studio
Post by: Sklounion on May 03, 2007, 07:18:15 PM
Because then we may just as well be interested in ceramics, where most items carry a backstamp. No mystery, no research, "oooh it's Wedgwood, Spode, Dresden..... " ad infinitum.  ;D ;D
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Uredale glass studio
Post by: josordoni on May 03, 2007, 07:46:39 PM
But if that was the case, then it wouldn't be as important for the big names to be signed.

For example, why should a signed Venini piece be worth so much more than an unsigned one?  Because of the guaranteed attribution.  Any attribution of an unsigned piece is no more than an educated guess.

Title: Re: glass studio
Post by: Cathy B on May 04, 2007, 03:42:11 AM
Why the heck can't they just SIGN the darn things???

... if they did, we wouldn't be able to read it anyway  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Uredale glass studio
Post by: Sklounion on May 04, 2007, 06:27:52 AM
 Hi Lynne,
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Because of the guaranteed attribution.
imho, the first gives fulsome opportunities to Dremel Man, thus undermining any guarantee that the item is right.

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Any attribution of an unsigned piece is no more than an educated guess.
I realise you are being specific to Venini, but operating in a field such as mine, where everything is unsigned, there is little need for educated guesswork, as huge swathes are documented.

I guess the major difference between glass and ceramics is the material. A backstamp on ceramics is not normally visible from the front surface, whereas the transparency of glass may mean that the signature can actually impact on the viewer, directly. Perhaps the reason why much glass comes with removeable labels.

Regards,

Marcus
Title: Re: glass studio
Post by: josordoni on May 04, 2007, 08:09:18 AM
Why the heck can't they just SIGN the darn things???

... if they did, we wouldn't be able to read it anyway  ;D ;D

We'd be alright so long as Adam is around....  ;D
Title: Re: Uredale glass studio
Post by: josordoni on May 04, 2007, 08:19:36 AM
Hi Lynne,
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Because of the guaranteed attribution.
imho, the first gives fulsome opportunities to Dremel Man, thus undermining any guarantee that the item is right.

Not sure about that, a signature can be documented, and specific components compared (as experts do with autographs).  Although you have a point of course.

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I realise you are being specific to Venini, but operating in a field such as mine, where everything is unsigned, there is little need for educated guesswork, as huge swathes are documented.

But you are generally looking material from major factories who, as you say, document their work thoroughly.  I am talking here about studio glass makers, some very small, who may achieve fame and acclaim in the future.  Their early works are VERY unlikely to be documented by them.

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I guess the major difference between glass and ceramics is the material. A backstamp on ceramics is not normally visible from the front surface, whereas the transparency of glass may mean that the signature can actually impact on the viewer, directly. Perhaps the reason why much glass comes with removeable labels.

Regards,

Marcus

Also true, although some ceramics also have removeable labels. 

I am just looking for the easy way out to gain more knowledge I suppose.  I would like to KNOW for certain that something is by someone, so that then I can compare and learn about other aspects that make an item different to something similar. 

My personal problem is that without the signature, the similarities can often outweigh the differences, making me very unsure of any attribution.