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Title: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 01, 2009, 12:49:44 PM
Hi there
I picked this up at the weekend thinking it was more than likely Wedgwood/stennett willson, but ive been searching books and have found a few similar pieces of riihimaki, which has left me unsure.
I think its a water carrafe as there is no sign that it ever had a stopper no marks inside the neck at all. beautiful blue colour (very wedgwood) cased in clear glass. The base is smooth and very well polished apart from the pontil mark which has been left rough.  surface wear to the base.
It stands at 26cms tall 10.5cms in diameter
Nice quality
many thanks
michelle
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 01, 2009, 12:51:43 PM
i'm not doing very well today, here are some pictures..sorry  :sleep:
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Ivo on July 01, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
A pontil mark like that is either Polish or Chinese....
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 01, 2009, 01:12:04 PM
REALLY !! i thought quality might be too good to be honest, but hey you guys know a heck of a lot more than i do (give me time  :24:)
michelle
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Max on July 01, 2009, 01:15:52 PM
 :-[  Well.....it looks very much like the bottle part of Wedgwood Saturn's Rings decanter.  I've got a couple, my clear one does have a polished (if slightly misshapen) pontil mark...and the blue one's in the shed, so you'll have to wait a bit.  The colour looks right though.

Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Pip on July 02, 2009, 09:05:34 AM
It looks like a RSW Wedgwood design to me - a decanter as Max has already said, missing it's stopper, although I understood it to have a different name than the one she quoted 'Saturn'.  The colour is absolutely spot on and the original stopper is very simple in clear glass with a bubble.  I'll check my books out - I've had one of these in the past but can't locate my photos at the moment.
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 02, 2009, 09:08:29 AM
Thanks for the research guys, I would imagine if it was sold with a stopper it must have been lost/broken very quickly as there is not a single mark in the neck not even friction rub it is sperfectly smooth
thanks
michelle
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 02, 2009, 09:11:37 AM
just found this one one ebay which looks to be identical in shape, and as you said with the clear glass stopper
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wedgwood-Stennett-Willson-Decanter-Glasses-Amber-Topaz_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1683Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem19b4eeb256QQitemZ110409724502QQptZUKQ5fArtQ5fGlassQQsalenotsupported
michelle
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Pip on July 02, 2009, 09:16:19 AM
That's the one although the stopper on that looks to be *slightly* different to how I remember mine which didn't have the 'waisted' part.  Your colour is Steel Blue.  Still looking for the info I had on my decanter.
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Ivo on July 02, 2009, 10:08:14 AM
Sorry I see no likeness between the one on e-bay and yours. I juxtaposed and overlapped them in ppt and the shape is definitely different - the waist on the RSW decanter is much lower and the quality seems much higher.  Plus I cannot imagine any British company leaving a course ground pontil on any piece.
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 02, 2009, 10:15:53 AM
quality wise i have to put the MP down to 1.2mg on my camera to get the photos to upload on here (i know there is another way of doing it but i really have tried but it never uploads, so i just stick to the only way i know how). So the quality looks alot better than it appears in the picture.
The weight is the same, im going to ask the seller for measurements of the decanter to see if they are similar
michelle
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Ivo on July 02, 2009, 10:21:32 AM
the difference between a polished and a ground pontil mark does not require max resolution - your pictures are clear enough.  :thup:
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 02, 2009, 10:26:33 AM
doh..  :P sorry i thought you meant the quality of the glass itself.. I agree that the unfinished pontil does suggest lower quality.. would there be any chance that it was a second so wasnt finished?? there are a few tiny bubble in the base apart from this i cant see another reason for it to be a second though.. because to me, and by no means am i an expert it really does scream wedgwood
michelle
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Max on July 02, 2009, 11:20:08 AM
My clear glass one has a very fine ridge where the stopper would finish, and again, very fine horizontal polishing marks inside the neck.  What with your one having an unfinished pontil, I wonder if it's a second and didn't have a stopper?  Did Wedgwood do seconds?   :huh:

btw: I think the listing you quoted is right.  The inspiration of the stopper was from a paperweight...I remember Graham Cooley saying that at a talk once.
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Max on July 02, 2009, 11:32:50 AM
Here's my blue one, acid marked to base 'Wedgwood England'.  There's no marks where the stopper fits.   My clear glass one does not have the acid mark. 
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 02, 2009, 11:41:12 AM
Wedgwood seconds (at least the paperweight animals) have finely ground but not polished pontils and they are unmarked. I don't think they were hesitant about selling seconds in the factory shop
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 02, 2009, 11:46:08 AM
That to me looks identical.. now i have the virtually impossible task of getting a stopper for it..i dont hold out much hope though
michelle
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 02, 2009, 11:48:17 AM
It's probably not worth it for a second, use it for those single roses Jon is going to buy you know you've found out about his ugly red vase
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 02, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
haha yeah right, after nearly 7 years, ive never got a flower of any sort, so i wont be anticipating one now.. i must say he does let me go wild with glass though and never complains, even when i spent £400 on a very rare massive blue and white swirl IOW charger
michelle
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: sectioned106 on July 10, 2009, 07:21:46 PM

Sorry to join the discussion late.  Has anyone else got the RSW Glass Design 1954-1980 King's Lynn 2004 Exhibition pamphlet?

On page 25 there appears to be a photograph of the said piece of glass (also in blue strangely enough) next to a typical straight cylinder vase.  It does not have a stopper and the caption beneath both pieces just says "Rustic Range".

Presumably therefore it was produced with no stopper either as a carafe or specimen vase.  (Unless Graham Cooley has got his photographs/glass mixed up - which may not be an impossibility because I'm sure in my Dartington book they have photographed one of the few irish coffee glasses in existence which wasn't made by Dartington - I'm pretty sure they will find it is a Krosno one!).




Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 10, 2009, 10:24:59 PM
[Have cross checked the coffee glass with Linda Smithson's labelled one, and you are right FT83 is shorter and has a fatter stem]
Title: Re: wedgwood stennett willson or scandi ??
Post by: jonchellycain on July 14, 2009, 03:56:29 PM
ahhh which goes perfectly with the fact it has no ridge or signs of ever having a stopper thanks for that sectioned106 :thup: