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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: sisco32 on April 05, 2011, 10:52:09 PM

Title: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: sisco32 on April 05, 2011, 10:52:09 PM
i got this cat it has a arte murano made in italy label on it someone has told me its not murano but in the style off although i have seen the exact label on your forum so ill try here instead to see if that person was correct and ive bought a lemon although i aint bothered its a nice piece
heres the pics
(http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/chrisk6531/04042011247.jpg)
(http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/chrisk6531/04042011244.jpg)
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: langhaugh on April 06, 2011, 06:04:32 AM
The person who told you that it wasn't made in Murano was correct. Unfortunately, many companies in Italy and elsewhere try to take advantage of the reputation that Murano has. There are even examples of labels saying "made in Murano" when the piece was made many miles away. I can't see your piece very clearly, so I can't comment on whether it's a "lemon," but surely the important thing is whether you like it.

David
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: sisco32 on April 06, 2011, 06:50:16 AM
oh right it just that i seen the the same label on the 101 murano label list on this forum ok np cost me a £5 anyways

this is the link to the page where i found the same label

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3016
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: tam bam on April 06, 2011, 03:15:53 PM
Just a suggestion for the board, but wouldn't it be wise once we find out a label is not from Murano to put it in the description so it doesn't confuse others? 

tam bam
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: Anne on April 06, 2011, 05:55:35 PM
Once we know it isn't Murano we will move it to the right place instead. :)
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: langhaugh on April 06, 2011, 06:07:23 PM
Anne:

I appreciate your position, Anne, but I think there would be general agreement that this isn't a Murano label, but a label for "Murano-style" glass. Keeping the label in the Murano file creates confusion for members like sisco33.

Of course, I could be wrong. Is there anyone who thinks it is a Murano label?


David
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: Anne on April 06, 2011, 06:28:06 PM
David, the label is in the Italian non-murano album. This topic is fine here as this forum covers Murano and Italian glass. I don't know if the label is also in the Murano101 topic  - as it covers 11 pages I simply don't have the time to plough through it all to find the relevant post within that topic which someone else has spotted and didn't post the link to.
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: langhaugh on April 06, 2011, 06:35:03 PM
My apologies, Anne.

The label is in the non-Murano section, which lazy me should have checked before asking non-lazy you to do some extra work.


David



Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: tam bam on April 06, 2011, 08:28:38 PM
My apologizes also.  I was thinking the label was in the Murano labels and just noticed it is in the Italian non-Murano section also.  (Holding head in shame)

tam bam
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: sisco32 on April 06, 2011, 10:36:41 PM
so i see that the label finally got moved ast the link has changed its address im going to take it a local glassware antique shop ask there opinion as i have seen  this style of cat before
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: sisco32 on April 06, 2011, 10:38:41 PM
My apologies, Anne.

The label is in the non-Murano section, which lazy me should have checked before asking non-lazy you to do some extra work.


David





it wasn't in the non murano section at first until this topic got more debated i have the link on another forum and its changed now
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: Anne on April 06, 2011, 11:03:10 PM
David and tambam, no shame nor apologies needed.  The file was moved just before I posted my reply #4 above at 18:55:35, which was in reply to tam bam's suggestion of making a change to the text description. As labels are placed in, or can be relocated to, the relevant album there is no need to post a changed description which could confuse things further - we simply relocate the file to the correct album.

The link was amended to the absolute link as I started to read this topic as part of my routine moderator actions which was at 18:48:10, shortly before the image was moved to the Italian non-Murano album.

The link sisco32 originally posted was the dynamic one which gives a different result depending on how a viewer views the album - i.e. sorted by name, date, etc....  and loses the connection totally if an image is moved to a different album as in this case.

The only link you should use for GlassGallery images is the one below it in the File Information section under URL.

This information is in the Help file I wrote for the GlassGallery: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery_help.html#Upload - see Step 9 at the bottom of the page.

I trust this makes things clear, and I think this topic has taken up enough of my time today!

Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: MuranoArtGlassChandeliers on August 18, 2011, 02:12:28 AM
Hi

This item is known as cased glass where the inner layer is a clearly defined solid yellow colour encased with a layer of Amber glass.  It isn't the Sommerso technique but something very similar.  The Czechs and English especially Stephens and Williams specialised in this style of glass in the mid to late 19th century.  The label is very generic with the ARTE MURANO or Murano Art label so unless you can track down the label, it may be very hard to work out who produced it.  Very nice piece with quite an unusual technique as cased glass is not normally found in Italy.

Ciao

Dean

Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: TxSilver on August 18, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
...Very nice piece with quite an unusual technique as cased glass is not normally found in Italy.


One correction: cased glass is very common in Italy.
Title: Re: Identifying this piece of glass
Post by: ardy on August 19, 2011, 10:11:29 PM
I think it would be useful to have a folder in the glass labels area where (non Murano or Italian) copy labels are kept ie chinese etc.??