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Title: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Glas Vasen on April 17, 2011, 02:36:30 PM
Hello all
I am looking for the manufacturer and designer of this vase, I think is a Czech manufacturer from Chribska or Baranek.

Thank you in advance for any help

Best regards Sergio
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Glas Vasen on April 21, 2011, 01:23:35 PM
I saw these Images today (Picasa Web) at Skrdlovice 1944 - 2008 Exhibition from J.P
(The Plate/shield Vaza Navrh neznamy autor 2 polovina 50)
Says Design unknown author Vase  ~1955


And by Harrachov incl Harrtil Galery from E.

Some vases are similar to my one,  Colour and the Base with three stand.

So I got there two different Manufacture Skrdlovice and Harrachov may some Czech Expert can me give more details.

Gruss Sergio
I’m offline visiting the dentist (these vases give me a toothache) :nk:
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: astrid on April 21, 2011, 09:05:57 PM
It certainly looks Czech, and it looks early to me (due to the somewhat faded quality of the colours). Harrtil range from Harrachov looks different, that has embedded white glass threads in it.

Skrdlovice or Mstisov, 50s-60s would be my guess. Maybe someone can be more exact about it...

Astrid
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: langhaugh on April 22, 2011, 06:47:37 AM
Yes, the first piece is Skrdlovice, although the colours are similar some Karlovarske Sklo and Harrachov pieces.  The base is also similar to the Harrachov ashtray, but if you look at my Picasa file of Skrdlovice, you'll see your vase there.

I'm pretty sure the vase from the exhibition is not the same as the piece that started the thread.

David
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Glas Vasen on April 22, 2011, 08:55:06 AM


but if you look at my Picasa file of Skrdlovice, you'll see your vase there


Yep your Skrdlovice No.606 matching with my one.
I must have tomatoes on my eyes.

At least I know now the Manufacture.

The Manufacture year is it 1955 ~58 or later?

As well I don’t know the head designs, in the sixty’s 1962-1967 was Miloslava Svobodova, then came F. Vizner
One more Matter is if the Vase is made in the middle of fifty’s so was a group of Artist (UUR / Center for Artistic Craft) in Collaboration to made up the Expo 58 in Brussels,
in this case I can’t dating it.

Need Patience may a  Skrdlovice Expert knows the direction of this Interesting Time & Vase

when I know more I report at here
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Jindra8526 on April 22, 2011, 09:12:08 AM
Hi Sergio,
your vase is Czechoslovakian, very simmilar to Beranek pieces but I would rather say that this is not Skrdlovice BUT Mstisov production, late 50ties.
Late we wait for Robert (bOBA) expertise.

Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: bOBA on April 23, 2011, 11:02:26 AM
These vases can be confusing and beyond being certainly CZ, I would be basically happy to suggest the possibility that this may be the same as this vase seen in the Pardubice exhibition of Skrdlovice glass, a Bohuslav Beranek design from the early 50's...

https://picasaweb.google.com/RobertLBJ/SkrdlovicePardubiceMuseumExhibitionCzechRepublic2009#5415514030584056722


but this is only an opinion, Mstisov-Karlovarske sklo, produced some designs that are virtually identical, I attach on of mine, I am still uncertain which of the two options is correct! A joy (and frustration) of glass collecting, is that none of us knows everything....


Robert (bOBA)
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: astrid on April 23, 2011, 12:02:09 PM
Robert, do you know whether certain colour combations were more used at one factory or the other? I associate the brown-blue combination more with Mstisov than with Skrdlovice - probably because I've seen more examples called Mstisov with those colours, but that doesn't mean it's correct of course...

Astrid
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Glas Vasen on April 23, 2011, 12:20:15 PM
This Interesting me too Astrid

In any case, thank you all for options and direction,

At least we know is made from Czech Republic,

Sergio
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: bOBA on April 23, 2011, 12:48:25 PM
Mstisov, I understand that most of the workers were moved to Karlovarske Sklo where some of their hot worked designs continued being made. This is a subject area Jindra and I are very interested in understanding in better detail!! This blue-brown is more often associated with Mstisov-Karlovarske Sklo  without a doubt.  The lumpy tree trunk shapes are all Karlovarske, usually seen in these kinds of colours but perhaps even sharper colour contrast, they are never Skrdlovice. This is not quite the tree trunk type and the colours may pass for Skrdlovice. Sometimes even contrast on a photo can make a difference to understanding the exact colours..... also the mix of colour in the factory on the day can result in sharp or soft colouring, especially at Skrdlovice, where a lot of variation is seen in intensity, but as I say, this vase and the one above could be either without more evidence. My photo of a similar vase above is in classic Skrdlovice green-brown but I have seen evidence in CGR of one of the Zemek brothers designing a very similar vase. The fact F. Zemek designed hot worked pieces at Skrdlovice and Mstisov and his brother designed similar pieces at Mstisov too, does not make the whole thing any easier to unravel. The variability of hand made production can add to this confusion as each hand makes the vase slightly different each time, but I agree with you about colourways, generally they are usually a very useful indicator of origin, ideally to be backed up by an image in Czechoslvak Glass Review, catalogues, labelled pieces etc...


Robert (bOBA)


 
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Glas Vasen on April 23, 2011, 02:55:19 PM
I noticed that today's at Moser glasses much brighter colour than the years in the 70 or 80

The Image 1.) was X-mas Gifts from some friends in Czech 1986



The Image 2.) From Moser web shop today


Sergio
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: langhaugh on April 23, 2011, 08:50:31 PM
Robert:

Thanks for the clear explanation about the colours and designers. That's really useful to have. The pieces that I have that are most likely to be Skrdlovice and which are close to this colour combo are two Zemek pieces and this bowl, which seems very much Skrdlovice.

David
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Glas Vasen on May 19, 2011, 11:32:28 AM
I saw this Vase from a Canadian Manufactures Chalet and it looks some similar with the Czech one,


David may yours Bowl comeing too, from Canada :X: (Just Joking)

Sergio
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Anik R on May 19, 2011, 11:45:17 AM
Sergio, I didn't notice this thread before, but your Moser 'today' shot glasses are BEAUTIFUL!
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Glas Vasen on May 19, 2011, 12:16:17 PM
Hi Anik
The Image (No_2_moser_today.JPG) isn’t yet my one.

I did a Print screen from the Moser URL, for showing the color of today.

the Photo shot with a mirror makes a gorgeous effect. :thup:

Sergio

     
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: langhaugh on May 19, 2011, 02:03:55 PM
Sergio:

Interesting piece from Chalet. Is it marked Chalet? I ask because you name the file Canada Art, which is the name of a mysterious Canadian company that nobody knows much about., and who marked their pieces "Canada Art."

Your joke about the bowl perhaps being from Canada has more truth to it than you possibly know. There are Chalet pieces very similar to Chribska and Skrdlovice production, despite the fact that all the main Chalet workers were from Murano. The person researching Chalet, and similar companies, in Canada has been looking for a Czech connection for some time, but hasn't been able to find one yet.

David
Title: Re: Chribska or Baranek i'am not sure!
Post by: Glas Vasen on May 19, 2011, 03:08:27 PM
Here the Pic from the foot with the Signature Canada ART

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