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Title: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: goyjus on August 09, 2011, 05:33:17 PM
I suspect this is may be a new piece of glass pretending to be old but thought I'd ask for some opinions.

It has a rough pontil mark to the base.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Greg. on August 09, 2011, 06:04:58 PM
Difficult to say from the picture, although looking at the neck, it looks like it has had a stopper at some point.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Ivo on August 09, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Reijmyre, not sure when.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: goyjus on August 09, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
Thanks Greg. Yes, I think it probably would have had a stopper originally.

Many thanks, Ivo - I will email the factory and see if they can provide further information.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: goyjus on August 10, 2011, 09:11:22 AM
I've emailed Reijmyre and they don't think it's one of their pieces. Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Ivo on August 10, 2011, 10:54:17 AM
Here is a picture of mine which was IDd as Reijmyre some years ago by someone in the Swedish glass forum. It seems some uncertainty remains - but at least you now know what the stopper looked like.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: goyjus on August 10, 2011, 11:06:03 AM
Ah! I should've known better than to doubt the expertise on this forum!

Many thanks Ivo - I'll keep an eye out for the stopper!

Unfortunately, someone has seen fit to drill a hole in the side of mine too - presumably to make a lamp. But I still think it's a great piece of glass.

The very helpful - though apparently mistaken - lady at Reijmyre gave me some more places to try. If I manage to get a date or any other information through these sources, I'll be sure to let you know.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Ivo on August 10, 2011, 11:27:06 AM
With a hole in the side you'll hardly need a stopper.  :ooh:
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: goyjus on August 10, 2011, 11:28:42 AM
lol. quite so!
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: goyjus on August 11, 2011, 09:22:04 AM
As promised, here's the response I got from the Curator of the Ostergotlands Museum in Sweden:

'I have got your mail about your bottle with engravings.
 
I have not seen anything like your bottle made by Reijmyre Glasbruk.
 
It´s rather difficult to have an oppinion about your bottle. I think it´s from the 20th century,
but I can´t tell you if it´s made in Sweden or elsewhere.'

So, there we go. Not really sure where that leaves us really...
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Ivo on August 11, 2011, 01:11:04 PM
the alternative which was researched at the time was Portugese provenance - but that was stopped when it was id'd (or was it) in the Swedish forum.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: ju1i3 on August 13, 2011, 04:24:51 PM
The engraving is similar to this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400167096576&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT which is claiming to be 1800!
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: goyjus on August 13, 2011, 06:05:08 PM
Thanks for this Julie. Yes it is similar. In fact, the wavy line design on this piece is featured on the side of my bottle. I wonder if mine is a later copy of the one on ebay?
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: ju1i3 on August 14, 2011, 06:44:37 AM
I may be wrong but I don't think the one on ebay is as old as it's being claimed to be (colour is wrong, base is wrong, too many air bubbles - but I'm happy to be corrected if anyone knows more). If I had to put money on it I'd say they are both modern.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: oldglassman on August 14, 2011, 08:44:21 AM
Hi All ,
  Time for my 2 pence worth , I was hoping that a positive ID may come from those out there with far more experience in this sort of glass , so maybe they are still some answers to be found , in my opinion these glasses are fairly modern and most likely made from recycled glass , I have seen them in all shapes and forms though all carrying the same style of ship and engraving , I nicknamed them 'Blue peter ' glasses many years ago , due to the resemblance of the ships to the logo of that programme , on 1 trip to Gibraltar many years I was shown very similar items being made and very quickly and crudely engraved , these were made from recycled glass,the Item offered on ebay is in my opinion one of these , I saw the eBay item during my last visit to  Amsterdam  and comments were made !!!. I never did manage to find out the whole range of items they produced , it seems as if they have been making these things there for many years , all have the 1 thing in common though , the naff!! engraving of ships. although the engraving in the origional post does seem to be of a better quality than those I have seen before , mostly the ships look like the one on ebay.so maybe another answer is still needed for this 1
cheers ,
            Peter.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Frank on August 14, 2011, 09:36:02 AM
From memory, similar appear in Hill Ouston catalogues during the 30s, these usually indicate if UK or foreign made. Once I can get to the catalogues will look for a match.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: goyjus on August 15, 2011, 11:00:39 AM
Cheers for that Frank. Much appreciated.

Here is the response I got from a leading Swedish auction house:

'This bottle is made in Scandinavia in the mid 19 th century. They can't be attributed to any specific glasswork to most of them do similar bottles and sometimes other small shops engraved them.'

So something else to throw into the mix!
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Ohio on August 15, 2011, 08:02:52 PM
There is a green bubbly glass vase that strongly resembles your bottle in glass quality that arrived last week with the same exact ship decoration in the mall I'm in with a Made In Portugal green & silver label.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: goyjus on August 15, 2011, 09:26:08 PM
Well. It could be the same one. I think Ivo mentioned something about Portuguese origin earlier on this thread...
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Ekimp on March 12, 2019, 05:23:28 PM
Ive come across a few examples of these and am reviving this post as there is another clue on eBay at the moment here:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Venetian-Green-Bubble-Glass-Roemer-Tourist-Gondola-Race-Trophy-c1960/312514846054
The one on eBay is Roemer type glass in the same style, the seller says that they are mid century Venetian, used as prizes in gondola races for tourists and as tourist gift ware. I suppose they may have been imported from Portugal but the story sounded reasonable, maybe itll ring a bell if anyone did a grand tour at the time.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: oldglassman on March 12, 2019, 05:41:20 PM
Hi , i don't recall ever seeing any gondolas with sails !!!!

cheers

Peter.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: ju1i3 on March 12, 2019, 06:08:33 PM
The important thing is the seller is acknowledging that these were cheap and cheerful modern items, unlike the sellers insisting they are serious antiques.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: ju1i3 on March 12, 2019, 06:28:59 PM
Although this doesn't have the ship engraving, I'm sure it's the same glass.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fantastic-Very-Rare-Antique-Hand-Moulded-Late-Georgian-1830s-Glass-Tankard/283130889199?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

the listing acknowledges:

"Kindly note,

I have had conflicting advice regarding the exact age of this tankard and I'm by no means an expert myself and have had to be advised on it. To the best of my current knowledge and various bits of information from various sources, and on balance, the existing description appears to be correct."
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 12, 2019, 07:57:40 PM
The tankard has a completely different type of bubbles to the "Venetian" glass and the handle is wrong for the supposed date. I think both are wildy optimistic descriptions
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: Ekimp on March 12, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
The seller of the Roemer glass describes it as bottle glass full of bubbles designed to be cheap...or tourist tat in other words. Although I wouldnt want to buy it, there seemed to be no attempt to inflate the price of their item so it didnt sound like an unreasonable story except maybe they werent made locally.
Title: Re: Etched Glass Bottle - Galleon and Lighthouse
Post by: essi on March 14, 2019, 10:28:14 PM
There is another posting on this subject, "Oriental sailing boat engraving" on the 27th august 2016. Sorry I cant do the link for it.
Hope it is of some use.
Tim

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