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Title: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 12:32:28 PM
Thought it might be Nazeing but can only find one to compare to other than my bowl and it's not the same.   I don't think it is the same as some other herringbone pieces unid'ed on here (will find link in a mo)
Measures 8" tall by diameter 5 1/2".  Made in three layers plus angular applied amber foot, green then white combing then green again with the amber from the foot seemingly thinly cased slightly up the lamp bottom part.  Great colour as it goes a pear green where the lamp is blown wider but is darker at the top and then has the amber foot.
Any thoughts much appreciated :) many thanks
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
pic of base showing finish
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 01:15:02 PM
 ???

Not Nazeing, I really don't think - could it be contemporary Studio in an older syle - it looks really, really beautifully made, and more of a "one-off" or only a small number of pieces made?
Either that, or it's genuinely old and something very special. I've not seen anything like it and I would not have missed that. It would have been screaming at me from the other side of the room.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 28, 2012, 01:20:02 PM
I have this in blue uranium with very similar combing
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1623
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
That looks to me to be a far thinner piece of glass - and the combing isn't of such good, regular quality.
Your vase is Nazeing, isn't it, Christine?
Flying-free's lamp isn't in Nazeing colours, the combing looks "larger".

The combing reminds me most of the lamp-base of by the unknown Czech Manufacturer of the stuff which often gets mistaken for Monart.  There are pics of it here (but I don't know where  :-\ ) - it's a globe-shaped pink and blue piece with amber rigaree with mica inclusions.. I may have a pic in some recesses of my pc.

Found a pic of one similar... just for comparison of the herringbone pattern

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-9446
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 01:38:30 PM
Great minds and all that  ;D
Christine the combing on  your piece is very similar to the combed pieces I was thinking of on here that are unid'ed - Ivo has one I recall - Ishall find it in a mo .  I think? the combing on those is much more irregular than this lamp though. I've attached a pic on black below to show the regularity of it.
Sue...that's exactly what I was thinking and wondering if anyone else would mention it.  I'll try and find that link as well. It has the spirit of those lamp bases doesn't it?
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 01:42:25 PM
pattern on black background to show the effect.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 01:43:03 PM
Yes.  Curvy, substantial, confident.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 28, 2012, 01:43:47 PM
Mine is pretty thick glass and heavy too. Not Nazeing, at least NB and Geoff Tmberlake didn't think so when they looked at Pete's
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2378.0.html
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 01:46:33 PM
The plot thickens.  :)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/WhiteRose1649/DSC00186.jpg

got that pic from this thread. I got the colours wrong though! It's blue with white herringbone and two different shades of pink, one internal, the other used for the rigaree.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38037.0.html

I can't see the piece in question being covered in rigaree - it just wouldn't look right.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 28, 2012, 01:54:32 PM
I don't think that's combed; it's fabric - Hartil
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 02:05:32 PM
Which one are you referring to as fabric harrtil please Christine?
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
The one shugdens showed apparently had a label on saying "Made in Czechoslovakia", but there was one in Abernyte I photographed, and I did handle it and study it - it is enamels...

or have I missed something important in that "that" maker has finally been identified?
(I presume you don't mean a cotton or linen type of fabric, but some sort of inclusions?)

I found my images - not too good, phone camera, artificial lighting

Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 02:11:51 PM
The shape of the fitting looks the same as yours, Flying-free...
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 02:19:29 PM
yes I thought so too :)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 02:32:11 PM
I don't think the combed 'pattern' on the Czech lamps is exactly the same as mine, but I think they are made with the same enamels if you see what I mean  They look slightly less tidy, maybe same manufacturer different maker?  The fitting on the the Czech lamps is the same or very very similar to mine as is the one featured on Franks 'not Ysart' site which is on a very similar lamp to the Czech lamps, just a different shape.  Of course that could just indicate an 'era' rather than a maker but still..

I did see a vase on ebay US that had the same enamels and pattern but went from brown at the top to a slightly opalescent or milky bluey colour at the base.  But it was way out of my £ power for research and also it had an oddly written Barovier and Toso signed signature on the base... I am pretty certain the sig was an addition and unfortunately I didn't keep a link to the vase.
But again I thought maybe the same maker maybe Czech.
But I still don't think they are the same as yours and Pete's or Ivo's...or at least I can't see the similaritie, but I can with the Czech mica lamps if you see what I mean?
Thanks for all your help :) I'lll keep looking but I'd really run out of ideas on this one.
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 02:57:12 PM
The Czech lamp-base is not completely smooth to the touch - it's bobbly and lumpy.. your base looks smooth, I don't imagine it's like;ly to be the same maker.
The luminosity and the colours of your base reminds me a bit of the fabby comtemporary french maker's lamps and shades my brother has, but doesn't look like his work.

The applied base part of yours makes me think older rather than newer.
I think we're just casting around wildly.
(but when you have absolutely nothing else to start from, it gives the brain cells something to do ;))
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: johnphilip on September 28, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
Hi M seen similar somewhere in the past , my gut feeling is its something special ,,,, just had a liquid lunch , it may come back to me tho,,,, not the lunch i may say  ??? i am sure it will get IDd fairly soon , you can give it to me for Christmas  !!!! i love it same sort of quality as Monart . cheers jp
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 28, 2012, 03:19:35 PM
I'm not convinced the Czech frilly ones don't use an asbestos net (It has to be asbestos because of the heat. Look up Hartil Harachov as an example but remember there are variations in asbestos mesh). I can't see the Abernyte one clearly enough to be sure
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 03:22:47 PM
thank you all  :)
Christine that's interesting I couldnt' see it clearly enough to tell from the pics.  The foot of the Czech mica ones looks different as well.
Sue, I see what you mean, no the lamp is not bumpy to touch at all.  Very smooth, it all looks quite carefully and skilfully made I think. The finish on the base of the foot is odd.  It's not polished flat athough it is completely flat, and doesn't have a polished pontil mark. Could it be marvered smooth and then a fire polished smoothed over pontil mark finish or...is it a  moulded foot and the dimply bit in the middle reflects the mould? does that sound right - I'm hopeless on imagining how feet might have been applied to something.
JP I don't know anything about Monart really, but having now looked at some pictures of vases  the applied foot is a similar shape to some of the Monart vases I think, maybe that's the similarity?  I wonder who else might have used this carefully done foot?
thanks again all
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 03:44:06 PM
 ???
This one's herringbone bit appears to be a reddy/brown colour.... enamel?
camerahttp://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=624&pos=0

I know you get "blue" asbestos and "grey" asbestos, but I'm not sure that's not just a name different types are given - one is far more dangerous than the other.

Is there any fabric which would be heat resistant and reddy-brown? (sorry for the lousy pics from abernyte, phone camera)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 28, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
Don't think so. I think asbestos fabric is only white. I think you need to handle these to be sure whether they use fabric. Whatever Miranda's is combed
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 04:03:52 PM
 :) It is.
More of a red herring than herringbone.  ::)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 04:51:30 PM
I took some close pictures - the foot is applied but perhaps the amber was reflection? I can't see how it might be partly cased up the base but perhaps so?
The hole for the wire shows the three layers and the thickness of the glass I hope.
The base pic is very clear and makes it look odd in finish, but it is very smooth, just showing the striations and dimpling in the middle more clearly.
And taking a close pic of the enamel combing shows that I think the enamels were done with two colours, pinky mixed with white. I think.
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 28, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
Could the foot be an integral part of the main body, but with dense enamel colour on the outside.... all beautifully marvered in to be smooth, of course.
I'd agree, it looks as if both pink and white striations are in the mesh.   
My guts are feeling this may be French. (But my guts are frequently all over the place! :-X)

However, your glassy-guts have been very Francophillic recently, Flying-free... :)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 07:00:16 PM
Sue I don't know is the answer  :-\ I'm really not good on how feet are done... I don't understand them.
Because JP mentioned Monart, I had a look for one to compare the foot, and the way the applied foot is reminds me of this one as an example
http://www.lskauctioncentre.co.uk/sale-categories/twentieth-century-design/d090911/86.aspx


And I've no idea how that is done or what it looks like on the base but others might  :-\

The one on the left of this picture is a better comparison.  I think the lamp foot is done the same way as this. But I have now found Frank's base pictures and none look like the base of my lamp so perhaps it's not done in the same way?If you click on the picture here and wait it blows up to quite a 'seeable' size.
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/11788/lot/425/
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 28, 2012, 08:03:26 PM
Sorry for adding more links but I found this vase which does have similarities with my lamp base

http://humlernolan.com/Auctions/June-2012/Art-Glass/0701

and which has a description of a mark on the base that sounds as though it looks like the mark on the base of this Chic Young Perthshire Paperweights vase
here  -  http://www.ysartglass.com/Otherglass/Perthshire3.htm
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 29, 2012, 08:39:38 AM
My guts do not think that is Monart - though perhaps it's the photography. The foot seems to stand proud (as in wider than) from the bottom of the body and I'm fairly sure that's not in keeping with Monart. The colours don't look right - they're too bright and modern-looking.
It looks more like the work of one of the contemporary Scottish makers, possibly Jane Charles (or somebody else whose name is on the tip of my tongue - certainly, I've seen work in the Strathearn Gallery in Crieff recently which I would say is by the same person.)
I'm going to try to photograph the foot of my Allister Malcom claret jug for illustration - because the foot is clear glass applied to coloured.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 29, 2012, 09:02:45 AM
Sue I'm confused, probably because I did what I shouldn't do and posted two posts at the same time.  Which one do you not think is Monart? Do you mean you're sure my lampbase isn't Monart ?  BobCrooks and Anthony stern have done some lattice ware but I feel  sure this is neither. 

I am wondering about Vasart?   I came across a red lattice bowl at a Lyon and Turnbull sale that was identified as Vasart and quite neatly done lattice work that I think has similarities.
http://www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=299+++++++16+&refno=++134216
and I'm still wondering if it is Nazeing.  Anita has a white combed piece that was identified as Nazeing and is a very neatly done and finished piece. 

I think I've worked out a bit more about the lamp. 
a) I think the combing was done in a dip mould with odd and even spikes so the combing looks the way it does and makes a sort of diamond shape pattern as it is pulled out of the mould, then the piece was twisted once it had been pulled out of the mould and blown a bit further.

b) I think the green is the inner layer, then the combing in pink and white enamel then the whole outer layer is very thinly cased amber with the amber only making up the foot?  does that make sense?  that would explain why the combing looks off white and why the green is such a gorgeous green (amber laid over bottle green maybe? )
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: johnphilip on September 29, 2012, 09:22:27 AM
I was not saying it is Monart just of a similar look and quality , the foot is nothing like any of my Monart pieces , the rest does have a similarity to some  . i would like to own it and see it lit up . jp
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 29, 2012, 09:40:53 AM
Hi JP, just rushing out but I wanted to acknowledge that I know you weren't saying it was Monart :)
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 29, 2012, 09:53:52 AM
http://humlernolan.com/Auctions/June-2012/Art-Glass/0701

is the one that reminds me more of Jane Charles. I don't believe it is Monart at all.
Your lamp base is absolutely, 100%, not Monart.
I would very much doubt Anthony Stern for it either; Bob Crookes IMHO is a more possible contender. I imagine Phil Atril or Mike Hunter would also have the skills and experience required to make it.
Yours is not Vasart. Or any kind of Ysart.

Monart and Vasart also tend not to be completely smooth - but often have a slightly bumpy surface caused by their tendency to contain a fair few tiny bubbles in the casings.
Your lmap base does not seem to have any "seedy" air bubbles, and it looks to be significantly thicker glass than Monart or Vasart.

Your description of the depth of the green is really interesting - I have a few pieces of Mdina in which the silver chloride has coloured the clear glass casing a clear amber colour, as opposed to the more commonly found opaque yellowy ochre shades, over the teal blue inner.
This does give rise to a truly glorious shade of green. I shall have to try to photgraph some of that too.
eeek. my photography pile is piling up. And my photographic "skills" have gone on an unscheduled extended sabbatical.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 29, 2012, 11:32:32 AM
Sue, JP thanks so much  :)

So... gathering everything together where I am at the moment is:
Not Monart
Not Vasart
Not any Ysart
Not Whitefriars (but I love their cloudy white lattice - gorgeous)

And my feelings are it isn't Studio glass or more contemporary glass:
a) the foot, the finish on the foot,
b) the use of a mould (I think) to make the combing
c) the lamp glows bright orange under blacklight I found just now- manganese content?
d) yes now looking again in the light, it is full of tiny bubbles and some little black flecks including one larger one embedded in the glass.


I feel it is older than 80's or at least it feels 50's ish to me.  But how does that metal fitment fit in with that? 

I don't think it's Italian because of the finish on the base of the foot - wouldn't that be polished flat if it were Italian :-\


I'll keep looking  ;D  (and if anyone knows where that red lattice Vasart is for sale, please let me know)
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 29, 2012, 11:53:02 AM
I have found that the yellow patches on Czech "spatter glass", (from around the '30s-'40s???) glow bright orange with UV.
(well, on my bits anyway- which are the kind with a black background and masses of brightly coloured splodges)

I don't know what does it and I haven't found other yellows which do it. I have wondered if it might be an "age" thing.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 29, 2012, 12:31:27 PM
whoops not manganese, possibly cadmium use - Christine explained it here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,39233.msg217164.html#msg217164
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on September 29, 2012, 02:49:32 PM
I´ve twice seen this decor attributed to Glashütte Schliersee, but neither do I know the source nor
do I feel able to judge about the reputability of this attribution.  :-\
gooogle (https://www.google.de/search?q=schliersee+vase&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=de&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=zAhnUNsv8vnhBOnDgdgO&biw=1525&bih=698&sei=0AhnUKu9E-Om4gSW1IDQDg#um=1&hl=de&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=schliersee+vase&oq=schliersee+vase&gs_l=img.3...10316.10863.6.10950.4.4.0.0.0.0.228.598.0j1j2.3.0...0.0...1c.1.pA9QVauC3T8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=7cff85e517af0221&biw=1525&bih=698)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: johnphilip on September 29, 2012, 03:36:52 PM
Hi M forget the contemporary guys,,,  its well before they were born . obviously by the fittings alone its got to be pre 1950 also the shape and technique screams very early 20th century . imho . jp
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 29, 2012, 09:48:04 PM
Sue thanks  :) I've checked all my art deco spatter glass pieces and my Franz Welz vases with yellow in them and they glow orange.  None of my 'later' amber or yellow pieces do apart from that massive (Empoli?) yellow vase.  And nearly the whole lamp glows orange but with a bright orange at the base and it getting fainter towards the neck, so I feel convinced it has an amber overlaid on it.
Dirk, that is close, very very close. Ironically I had just started looking at WMF just in case.   Even the finish on the glass surface looks similar where, whilst it is completely smooth to touch, if you hold it to the light you can see faint striations in the glass - I think one of my close up pictures might show this somewhat.  Also the teeny bubbles the texture of the glass inside, it does look very much the same.  Thank you.  I willl investigate further.
JP thank you :) I will keep looking, but much earlier than I had been.  I do feel it is earlier than the 50's as well.
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 30, 2012, 09:30:26 AM
 ;) Are you managing to contain yourself after seeing Dirk's link?  ;D
That does look like a very promising direction indeed.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: johnphilip on September 30, 2012, 10:11:36 AM
By saying early 20th century i was thinking 20/30s . jp
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 30, 2012, 09:10:32 PM
Sue I think there are definite similarities and I think perhaps it is German  - I have found others with a very similar foot as well but nothing on Schliersee so far Dirk even going through the online museum and also the Jean Beck information and pics  :-\

JP thanks, I also think probably 30's more than 20's but in that timeframe.  Pics upload with it under lighting and also to show the seediness and bubbles in the glass as well asa closer look at the two colour enamels for the combing.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on October 01, 2012, 04:51:10 PM
I´ve been trying to find information about Schliersee, but there seems very little available.
Anyone ever tried to contact Passau? Are they helpful? The Passau book only shows the
iridescent pieces with flowers...
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on October 01, 2012, 05:05:10 PM
The information on the net is paltry, very scarce. 
I just thought I would add that Schliersee was folded in 1914 I think it was, so if this lamp and the vase Dirk linked to is Schliersee it will be before 1914. 
I've been trying to search in German but I don't know what this decor would be classified as in German so I'm not sure I'm using the right phrase if yswim?
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on October 01, 2012, 07:22:58 PM
´Netzdekor´ would be the closest I could think of at the moment...  ???
I really don´t want to sound discouraging, m, but I think the online options may lead
nowhere in this case. I´ve now and then tried to find info on Schliersee myself to e.g.
back up other ebay attributions - to no avail.
I´ve no experience about contacting Passau - hence my question.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on October 01, 2012, 07:54:04 PM
Dirk, I'm sure you are right.  I've found nothing and my searching  normally comes up with more than one or two things - perhaps someone needs to do a book on Schliersee  ;)
I've  never contacted the Passau but I might try with this piece and see if they can help. 
Thanks so much for your help though.
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on October 08, 2012, 07:01:26 PM
I have contacted the Passau via their info@ address but not heard anything yet.  I'm hoping they will find something to help and will let you know if I hear anything.  Thank you Dirk for your suggestion and help  :)
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on October 09, 2012, 07:23:17 PM
I´ve got my fingers crossed for a few days now - they´ve begun turning from blue to black
now. Hope Passau will reply soon...  8)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on October 09, 2012, 07:28:34 PM
Actually Dirk I remembered I contacted them before about something and they didn't get back to me at all  :'(

m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on October 10, 2012, 05:50:02 PM
:hug:
The answer is out there.
 ;)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on February 02, 2013, 06:37:13 PM
Dirk found two great pieces attributed to WMF
the second I am certain is the same maker as my lampbase
The linked one has a polished pontil mark and is one colour only, not cased in a different colour as my lamp is.
The foot is the same as well.
Anyone recognise the shape?
And thank you so much to Dirk :)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/281049856301?nma=true&si=W0QLHC6M8t7e3lWMYOmDERZ2mNA%3D&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2557&orig_cvip=true#ht_500wt_1288

m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on February 02, 2013, 09:39:27 PM
http://www.antiquehelper.com/item/376336

a WMF vase with that foot - the same type of foot as my lamp.
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on March 24, 2013, 08:46:55 AM
Another example...  :)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on March 24, 2013, 11:45:52 AM
Pretty!  I wonder if those little feet might help in the search now.
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on March 24, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Asked myself the same question, but so far these feet don´t speak to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on March 24, 2013, 10:17:12 PM
I'm wracking my brains but I thought I'd seen a rare Unica WMF Ikora vase with those feet?
going to search now :)

Found it very quickly here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,37683.msg206731.html#msg206731

What do you think?
m
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on March 24, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
Dirk what size is  your bowl please?
I'm really not trying to 'make' these WMF, just trying to pull possible links together at the moment:

-On page 78 of the WMF book there is a vase at the top right (totally different to these) but has an amber shading to green colourway effect.

- the foot on my lamp is visible on many pieces in the book.

- on page 101 there are two x  three footed bowls with applied feet like Dirk's bowl but the shape and decor of the bowls is different,however the feet look about the same size and shape as Dirk's bowl and they are clear I think whilst the bowls have a decor.

- and on page 101 at the top row show it shows two vases as per the one on the GMB link I gave just above here and both have three little feet.

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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on March 25, 2013, 11:24:55 AM
M, I´m really not convinced these feet show any features distinctive enough to be a pointer - sorry. Perhaps in
another context  - together with the shape of the bowl etc.. Wonder if it had a lid BTW?

@work right now... I´ll add the measures tonight.  :)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on March 25, 2013, 12:17:21 PM
no me neither really and I've not been able to exactly match any of the shapes at all. Never mind that the pattern doesn't appear in the book of course.

I'm leaning towards a German factory though. 

I was wondering Regenshutte as one  example - I'll have a look at other factories if I get some time today.
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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on March 25, 2013, 07:36:17 PM
One day, m.... even these won´t escape us for ever.  ;D  :-*
Bowl´s diameter is ca. 17.5 cm.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on March 27, 2013, 08:17:38 AM
no,I'm sure we will find a maker for them :)

but in the meantime I must raise a slight query.... I'm not entirely sure the zig zag pulled effect is the same as on my lamp base ( ducks behind sofa ) - it just looks slightly different .
However, it's possible the vase with the same foot  might tie them all together.
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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on April 15, 2013, 05:28:55 PM
Finally !!! ok, not a definite id ...sorry to disappoint  ;D but I have finally found a vase that I came across ages ago and couldn't find again to post.
This one was sold in 2005 via Quittenbaum as WMF IKora and it has the two colours effect with one graduating over the other a bit  like my amber over the green.  It also has the similar pulled netting and foot as mine.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1266855
sold as 'WMF, Geislingen. 'Ikora'-vase, c. 1935. ' brown and blue. 16.9cm high
Looks a very similar shape to the one Dirk found earlier in the thread but that was 17.4cm
http://www.ebay.de/itm/281049856301?nma=true&si=W0QLHC6M8t7e3lWMYOmDERZ2mNA%3D&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2557&orig_cvip=true#ht_500wt_1288
and I've not been able to match that shape in the book.
All thoughts much appreciated
Dirk, I've not had time to re look at the other pieces yet but will do some close comparisons :)
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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: Ivo on April 15, 2013, 05:41:13 PM
Not sure if I ever threw these pics into battle:

Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on April 15, 2013, 07:48:17 PM
M, I strongly suspect that the WMF attribution is right, but I´m having problems with classifying
them as Ikora. The book doesn´t show this pattern and it´s both distinctive and common enough
it should have found a mention there. I hence suspect it might be a different, completely autarkic
range, like e.g. those mica spiral-pattern bowls, those small cut vases etc.. 
What do you think?

Ivo, interesting to see this technique by a later (I presume) maker. Anyway - how is it done BTW?
Threading? Nets?
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: Ivo on April 15, 2013, 07:57:29 PM
Threaded, combed, clear cased I think.  My example was from a small unknown glass maker in Sicily and had pewter decor stuck to it - not quite sure why.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on April 15, 2013, 08:00:35 PM
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not quite sure why
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The tendency is to push it as far as you can
  ;D
Thanks for the explanation!
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on April 15, 2013, 08:59:48 PM
Dirk, Ivo, thanks :)

Ivo nice colours in that vase:)  there is difference in again in the neatness of the way the lattice/net decor is done, my lamp and the vases and Dirk's bowl are very neatly done by comparison to other maker's pieces I've seen with this type of decor.
Dirk I don't know the mica bowls or cut vases??should I know them?
I can't recall reading about them at all  ::)
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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on April 15, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
Oh my!! Look here
http://www.artvalue.com/auctionresult--wmf-geislingen-20-germany-vase-2749596.htm
Sold by Quittenbaum in 2010 Tue 26 October lot 645
Is this the same shape as the one Dirk linked to and the one I just found id'd as WMF brown and blue?
Do we have lift-off  ;D

Edited - oops no, comparing shapes it's not the same I don't think and neither is the foot.
What is interesting is that I've come across another vase similar to my green with red splotches decor sold by Quittenbaum and on that one they make it clear it is WMF Geislingen (ATTR.) i.e. attributed.  So I do wonder whether the net vase they sold, are they sure it is WMF then.  Spurious conclusion I know  :)
Darn
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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: dirk. on April 15, 2013, 10:08:40 PM
 :)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,36671.msg199786.html#msg199786
possibly not so widely known (#3-6):
http://www.glaskilian.de/WMF.579.0.html
the cut ones between (http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=wmf+dexel&_sacat=0&_from=R40)
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on April 15, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
oh yes, I remember your bowls now  and yes I have seen those on Glaskilian but the cut ones don't float my boat so I've not remembered them  :-[
Thanks Dirk
Oddly enough I put WMF Geislingen rather than WMF Ikora in the search and that is how I found the net blue and brown vase again.
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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 29, 2013, 09:40:17 AM
I found a brown combed lattice vase like my blue/green one with a Made in Czechoslovakia label
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1623
Unfortunately I neglected to get a picture of the vase
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 29, 2013, 01:00:51 PM
ooh thanks :)
that's marvellous because ages ago, but after this thread, I bought a huge vase like your blue/green one, in amber.
How big is your green blue one?
I'll add a pic once battery is charged.
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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 29, 2013, 01:23:50 PM
Only 15 cm - quite a lot smaller than the amber one
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 29, 2013, 01:39:47 PM
mine here

the vase is 10"high by 7 3/8" wide
The combed decoration is done using enamels on both.  However the green lamp technique is, I think, more complex and sophisticated and seems to use two colours of enamels for the combing which the vase doesn't.
I'll try and resize better pics.
edited - added some more pics taken in daylight.
The colours of the lamp are pretty much true to colour with a bright jade green at the top and becoming lime -ier to the body as it meets the amber casing and then amber at the base.

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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 29, 2013, 02:55:33 PM
amber combed vase base
indented base and lots of wear right around the edge.  Large polished pontil mark.
Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on March 21, 2014, 09:37:24 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360881250859?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649

this vase is the same maker - it doesn't help me I'm afraid as the shape doesn't jog my memory of ever having seen anything similar.

Any help always appreciated. If this vase shape is recognised that would be great  ;D

Strangely it seems quite different to the lamp although I'm 100% sure it's the same maker.  It's less refined in shape, a little more organic, and of course has a pontil mark on the base whereas my lamp has an applied foot and shows no pontil mark.
Thoughts now are not leaning to WMF.

Thanks as always
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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on September 02, 2014, 04:40:18 PM
polite bump to my thread :)
before these ebay pics disappear I just wondered if anyone recognised the shape of this footed vase as being from a particular maker or country even.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360881250859?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649
The pontil mark on the vase looks ground but not polished I think  :-\
I'm pretty sure it's the same maker as my lamp.
Would the pontil mark preclude it being Murano?
I ask because I found a Barovier vase amberish to green (no other similarity but just caught my eye) with a label on it and it seems to have a 'curious' pontil mark i.e.not snapped off.
http://kocoma-collection.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/barovier-amp-toso-vase-1930-55-green.html
Just wondering if any link can be found maybe for future searches :)
thanks for looking
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Title: Re: Old combed lattice herringbone lamp - green white feathering amber foot
Post by: flying free on October 15, 2017, 10:53:15 PM
WMF Unika apparently

Same decor and same colourway as my lamp  :)

http://deerbe.com/unt/90612-vase_wmf_ikoro_unika_entw___karl_wiedmann_zugesch___art_deco_deko_wabenoptik.html

'Vase Wmf Ikoro Unika Entw. Karl Wiedmann Zugesch. Art Deco Deko Wabenoptik'

   
'Kategorie : Glas & Kristall > Sammlerglas > 1900-1970   Identifizierungsnummer: 90612
Weitere Informationen
Höhe / height   ca. 17 cm
Nettogewicht / Net weight   ca. 1051 Gramm
Länge (length) / Breite (width): ca. 19 cm '

I don't know who De Erbe are though  ::)  I wonder if this information appearing on De Erba has just been 'lifted' from say an ebay listing?  They have spelled Ikora incorrectly and also, I think Ikora ranges are separate from the Unika pieces, so would not be described as Ikora Unika?
If so, then the only bonus is that the colour and decor are the same as my lamp at least.  So we know there is another piece out there.
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