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Title: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 02, 2014, 09:49:03 PM
In view of the lack of available book information on this subject, thought it would be useful to show colours used by this factory, with the aim that members might add others not included in this initial effort.          Again, in view of the poor book coverage of the factory, it would be useful to provide images of the many shapes associated with these colours  -  but the colours might come first, followed by the two tone pieces perhaps.

I've shown the recognized colour name where known - invented others, which obviously can be changed if someone can provide the right one - and in the interests of simplicity have steered clear for the time being of including the pattern name i.e. Venetian Ripple, horizontal wave etc.
As to be expected, certain colours predominate and from my own experience sunshine amber is perhaps at or near the top of the list,followed by one of the ambers, and for others this may well depend on where people live.

I may have misunderstood the books, but I'd assumed it was only sunshine amber in the Gay Glass range that fluoresced, but assuming I have my greens correct, then evergreen also glows.
For some reason I appear not to have seen the Gay Glass spring (eau-de-nil), nor the green from the Bristol Blue range produced during the 1970's or the ruby used in the Flair pieces.           
Just for the sake of mentioning it, the Gay Glass range did include clear pieces - whether for all of the patterns or only some I'm note sure - and other patterns were made in clear, but how extensively I've no idea. 
Pieces shown are either backstamped or known patterns from this factory.

Feel free to comment in whatever way, and hope people will add those missing colours I've mentioned. :)

P.S.   to be continued ........
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 02, 2014, 09:58:15 PM
some more............

there is a decided difference - in the flesh - between the two ambers shown here.

Whether there really is a difference between sunshine amber and the other large similar coloured vase, I'm not sure.    The vase is thicker and in the flesh appears decidedly darker than the smaller pieces - but at the end of the day they may all be classified as Gay Glass sunshine amber.         They all fluoresce very well, although the rims of the small pieces show green in ordinary daylight (even in the picture I think) whereas the vase does not show this effect.  So, people's opinions please.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 02, 2014, 10:01:19 PM
and finally the greens.......

Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 02, 2014, 10:04:13 PM
just one more...  this is what I've called 'new amethyst', from the Bristol Blue Range in the 1970's  -  it's noticeably different from the earlier more common colour of the same name.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: David E on April 02, 2014, 10:07:20 PM
Well done!

There is also an amethyst in the later range (beat me to it), and regarding the Flair range: Ruby (I have a bowl in this colour), Green, Amber, Teal, Blue.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: David E on April 02, 2014, 10:15:37 PM
Here's two links:

The Ruby Bowl (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34037.msg185070.html#msg185070)

The Bullseye range (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30912.msg167701.html#msg167701)
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 02, 2014, 10:30:56 PM
thanks David  -  hopefully we shall have all of the colours quite soon :)
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 02, 2014, 10:32:01 PM
meant to add............    am sure Christine will have a piece of Gay Glass spring :)
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 03, 2014, 06:42:03 AM
All uranium
Spring green
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=528
Sunshine amber
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=528
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1802
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1039
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=2085
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1318
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1758
Alexandrite
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1780
Burmese
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=992
An early amber uranium
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1768
And what I believe to be Lemonescent (though other might disagree)
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1
Evergreen (sue's pic)
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 03, 2014, 07:30:28 AM
thanks for adding all of those, and having now seen your Spring it occurs to me it appears to be the same as my piece which I've called light green - so perhaps the caption on my pic should be changed.
Look forward to seeing a piece of green from the 'Bristol Blue' range, from someone.

Perhaps we'll give it a day or so, and we might then start to add the two tone examples. :)
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: David E on April 03, 2014, 08:08:39 AM
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Look forward to seeing a piece of green from the 'Bristol Blue' range, from someone.]Look forward to seeing a piece of green from the 'Bristol Blue' range, from someone.

Unsurprisingly it was called 'Bristol Green'  ;)

But I thought Keith had a piece of this?
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 03, 2014, 11:13:30 AM
If you still have your light green, test it under UV. My Spring green is definitely uranium but a non-U version might point to a later period
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 03, 2014, 12:58:07 PM
As per the caption, my light green pieces do glow well :).          I had confused myself - not difficult - by looking at the CH reproduction of the factory catalogue showing Spring - which looks rather different to what you see in the flesh.        However, think you've answered the question, insofar as my light green is indeed Spring.

Unfortunately, the author's caption to this catalogue page is keen to mention that sunshine amber is loaded with uranium, but makes no mention of this aspect when speaking of evergreen and spring.

So, we're waiting on Keith then for Bristol green ;D
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on April 03, 2014, 02:04:02 PM
Had a bit of trouble getting the colour right on the green jug but a bit of help from the 'gimp' programme helped, ;D ;D , couple more to follow....
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on April 03, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
..few more,  ;D
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 03, 2014, 03:20:34 PM
thanks Keith  -  I always said you lived in a castle. ;)             do like that lilac Flair vase. :)
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: bat20 on April 03, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Great thread thanks. :)
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on April 03, 2014, 04:49:41 PM
Could do with the space you'd get in a castle, just think how much more glass you could get !  :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: glassobsessed on April 03, 2014, 07:20:48 PM
The lilac Flair vase is likely to be neodymium (the one I had was).

John
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on April 03, 2014, 08:33:29 PM
That's right John, lilac during the day and pale blue under electric light, ;D
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: ahremck on April 04, 2014, 01:52:17 PM
Don't forget the Coronation Range which came in two colour combinations.  Clear/Amber(see photo 1) and much harder to find clear/black ( have piece - yet to photo it.)

Also a "Bristol Green" decanter (see photo 2) which is much greener then that photo.  Actually very similar to the colour of Holmegaard's Greenland range.

Clear Bullseye Bowl (photo 3)

I forgot I took the Black base style of Coronation wine glass.

Ross
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 04, 2014, 04:02:18 PM
a big thanks to all contributors so far  -  this should hopefully prove a very useful reference source for T/Webb. :)
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on April 04, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Colour variation in amethyst, large bowl 11.5 inches smaller bowl 7.5, ;D
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 04, 2014, 05:44:27 PM
another two tone piece  -  a bright yellow/uranium foot with clear upper part - presumably a vase.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 04, 2014, 05:50:34 PM
an unusual shaped stem vase - I assume - no doubt as to its provenance in view of the backstamp, which is the same as pieces from the Flair range.   
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: David E on April 04, 2014, 05:54:31 PM
The last is from the Flair range. Webb made several clear pieces and I have one similar to this but with a beaked top, plus a double bud vase.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 04, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
thanks for the confirmation  -  I wasn't sure in view of the lack of bubbles in the foot - I've not seen it, I don't think, in any of the books.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 06, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
attached are a pair of green uranium bowl goblets - plus finger bowl and what looks like a desert dish (?) in old English bullseye pattern - all with backstamp.     The last two are possibly sunshine amber, are quite thin and produce a great ring.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 06, 2014, 04:26:09 PM
some of the bowls are quite substantial in size  -  these two measure something like 11.75" and 9.25" respectively - across the rim.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 16, 2014, 06:42:09 PM
water set in horizontal wave pattern/sunshine amber.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on April 16, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
Couple more whoppers,11.75 high and the bowl 12,25 across, ;D ;D
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 16, 2014, 09:27:38 PM
Hi Keith  -  I just didn't realize the size of some of this factory's pieces  -  yesterday I saw some very tall vases patterned with those oval shaped slightly indented lenses.   I'm beginning to think their range was almost limitless :)
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on April 16, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Lots I think, few more here... ;D
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 17, 2014, 08:33:27 PM
I've not seen this plate elsewhere - in fact I don't know if the factory did plates as a general rule - but it's attractive - I did post it some two or three years back.
The design - created entirely on the underside - has been cut to clear, but not entirely sure how the 'hammered' effect was produced  -  it might have been the result of a mould process, but not sure.    The surface texture of each hammered blob is very grainy/gritty, but quite bright and shiny.          There isn't any sign of a a pontil scar or depression.
 
Diameter is about 7.75" (200 mm), and the factory backstamp is what the books describe as c. 1935 - 49, the small fully circular one.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on April 17, 2014, 11:06:30 PM
Very nice, can't see I've seen a Webb plate before, just about everything else though, ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Frank on April 19, 2014, 06:40:59 PM
No plates in the 77 catalogue I digitised. Cannot access the earlier catalogues (30s and 1957) right now but they do state tableware as one of their products so plates should be there! Glanced at all the Webb material I have digitised but no plates. Did notice Duroven (Their Pyrex version) in 1949, quite distinctive designs in opaque 'Snow White'.

Unmarked cameo plate here http://www.1stdibs.com/creators/thomas-webb-and-sons/furniture/
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Paul S. on April 19, 2014, 08:53:42 PM
I wasn't seeing mine as  'tableware' in the usual sense of the word - I'd always thought it looked too decorative to be that, but fashions and tastes change so who knows  -  makes me think of a Celtic cross.
In fact thinking back now, don't believe it was me that showed the plate originally  -  it was posted by a woman from one of the charity shops, who had been given three, I think, and she was asking for some information so that they could be sold with at least an approximate date and some details about the maker.

So I emailed and asked if I might buy one, to which she agreed  -  think now I should have bought all that she had  -  from the comments so far plates may well be less common than we thought. 
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: ahremck on May 19, 2014, 06:04:36 AM
Noticed the comment about how big some Webb items are.  I have this "magnum" decanter which I assume would cope with two full bottles.  It is huge.  The stopper is bigger and heavier than most perfumes.  The engraving is of what I assume to be J-class yachts.

Ross
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: Patrick on July 17, 2014, 11:55:31 AM
Hi,
 This may be of interest..............  mention of colours. http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,57285.msg324576.html#msg324576
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: ahremck on March 06, 2016, 10:44:32 AM
An interesting bowl in blue/clear with controlled bubbles.




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Hi Ross, that's fine by me. If it contributes to a glass data base / resource, that can be only good for glass collectors. Take care and thanks for your interest.
Regards Chris.
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YOU:

I belong to a great resource called the Glass Message Board - if you don't know it it's free and very worthwhile for a glass lover to join - simply Google it.

One of the projects is to collect examples of coloured Webb Crystal. There are none like your and I would like permission(which is required by GMB rules) to publish your photos onto the Board.

Thanks in anticipation, Ross.

PS. I have lots of Webb myself but your piece is too large for what I want to collect. Sorry.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: ahremck on October 06, 2016, 01:58:22 AM
I have taken some more photos that may be of interest.

#1   A yellow decanter
#2   A Black Coronation decanter - got 3 goblets as well.
#3   An amber bullseye decanter and glasses
#4   The Bristol Green decanter nearly correct colour.

Ross

PS.   Enquiring about a possible addition to my Black Coronation glass a dealer indicated he was fairly sure he had seen a Red/Clear version as well.  Would really love to see one.
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: ahremck on October 06, 2016, 02:04:27 AM
Finally what I call an Obelisk vase - similar to the bowl I posted earlier - but mine.

Ross
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on October 06, 2016, 02:45:43 PM
Wonder if that is part of the Webb 'Flair' range, they did some odd shapes... ;D
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: ahremck on October 06, 2016, 11:39:59 PM
I think it probably is Keith.  It has the bubbles and the blue of the dish I posted earlier(with permission).

Ross
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: essi on August 08, 2017, 07:48:14 PM
I think this vase is the same pattern as Keiths bowl.
9" tall, top 7", 5" at the base.
Very green response from uv lamp.
Tim
Title: Re: picture library for T/Webb colours.
Post by: keith on August 08, 2017, 10:53:22 PM
Another Flair 'Haze' bowl, no bubbles  ;D 10.5 inches across.