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Author Topic: An 'Italian' Saint Louis? ID = SL 1954  (Read 6589 times)

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Offline Derek

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Re: An 'Italian' Saint Louis?
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2009, 05:59:08 PM »
Hi all

I can go one better than Roys suggestion - I was over at Normans today and took the opportunity to dig into his comprehensive dossier on modern St Louis.

The E-bay weight is definitely a 1954 St Louis and compares very favourably with this 1955 concentric which was auctioned elsewhere. Norman apologies for the poor picture !

The date cane is constructed differently but I checked other weights from 54/55 and identified at least 5 different styles of date cane. The date cane in this 1955 weight is at 2 o'clock in the second concentric ring out from the centre cane.

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Mod: An image was attached, but was a personal research copy (with a personal annotation) taken from an entry in a Boisgirard et AssociƩs auction listing. This showed a weight with the same pattern and same style canes as the eBay one discussed. See update below, as at Mar 2010, for images of the one discussed.

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Offline SophieB

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Re: An 'Italian' Saint Louis?
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2009, 08:18:33 PM »
Many thanks to (in order of appearance): Alexander, Alan, Roy, Andy, Kevin, Derek and Norman for your research, effort and replies.

I am now totally convinced that it is a St Louis weight.

I am sorry for the wild goose chase but I just could not believe that SL had ever produced such weak..ish work before. Just put it down to Gallic pride (Aah! yes, you have a 'grenouille' in your midst). ;D

Thanks again to you all.


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Offline KevinH

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Re: An 'Italian' Saint Louis? ID = SL 1954
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 11:49:27 PM »
For confirmation, and with good photos, the eBay weight discussed has a "SL 1954" cane but the "4" is certainly not easy to read without a good close-up view.

Whether people consider the weight to be of poor or good overall quality is a matter of personal opinion. Looking at the set up of the canes, it can be seen that there are seven "inner cane spokes" which are not evenly spaced, and there are only six "outer cane spokes", all of which does not make geometric symetry.

However, in the main, the nature of the pattern is well formed and the bed of latticino is nicely set. The outer canes are well selected with six repeating groups of six different canes. Also, the clear dome is very good with no striations or devitrification and only a couple of very tiny air bubbles. From the side view, it is seen that there are no bubbles amongst the canes and the curve of the cane layer is very even. The only obvious side view "glitch" is that the underside of the canes have been squashed outwards at the edges giving a slightly untidy look.

Images by current owner, size reduced and optimised by me, included with permission.
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Signature Cane

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