Topic: Info on a pink paperweight... ID = Perthshire Paperweights PP1 (pics gone)

[KevinH]

Max ...

I know how you feel  

In simple terms, for the purpose of an eBay sale, I suggest a description along the lines of, "Perthshire Paperweights, design number PP1, unsigned, pre-1978."

The "PP" numbers are just design numbers for the various patterns.

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Kev's rationale for wordiness:

The recent increased interest in paperweights within the Board has begun to show that attributions can be just as tricky (UK meaning, as opposed to possible US variation) as with much of the other Art Glass.

Therefore, one of my "reasons" for all the analytical stuff is to put folk on warning that when it comes to paperweight identification, many items really do need careful consideration to justify an attribution. I also like the sound of my own typing - so lots of words makes me feel good.  

Seriously though, I could have just said, "Sorry, Ray's wrong with PP5 or PP6, it's a PP1 design." But without the evidence, somebody else could then have said, "But I have a PP1 design weight and it's different". Frank's example photos of two completely different PP5 designs shows how confusing it can be.
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Leni ...

Your weight that is "very like Max's" could well be a Perthshire Paperweights PP2 design, pre-1978. But without seeing a pic, to check the canes, can we really rule out Strathearn or Vasart? Dunno.

[Anonymous]

Max ...

I
The "PP" numbers are just design numbers for the various patterns.

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Hi Kev


Would it be too obvious or perhaps naive on my part to suggest that PP
refers to Perthshire Paperweight.....or am I restating an earlier suggestion that was proven incorrect.?


Regards


Gareth


Morgan48

[Anonymous]

Max ...

I
The "PP" numbers are just design numbers for the various patterns.

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Hi Kev

Would it be too obvious or perhaps naive on my part to suggest that PP
refers to Perthshire Paperweight.....or am I restating an earlier suggestion that was proven incorrect.?

Stunning question....next stop Specsavers I think..!!....what a numbnuts I am


Regards

Gareth


Morgan48

[Max]

Stunning question....next stop Specsavers I think..!!....what a numbnuts I am - Gareth

Don't be silly you little sweetie!  I thought PP stood for Perthshire Paperweight too.  Anyway, if I think I've dropped a clanger, I try and edit my posting quickly and hope no-one's read it before I could change it.     :lol:

KevH...Thanks so much for your idea for a description for my auction, I really appreciate it.  Thanks also to your thoughtful explanation, I can understand where you're coming from on your previous posting too.

Wow.  Isn't this board great?  The only problem is, I think I'm getting RSI in my right hand from clicking with my mouse here so much...   :lol:

[Anonymous]

Stunning question....next stop Specsavers I think..!!....what a numbnuts I am - Gareth

Don't be silly you little sweetie!  I thought PP stood for Perthshire Paperweight too.  Anyway, if I think I've dropped a clanger, I try and edit my posting quickly and hope no-one's read it before I could change it.     :lol:

Thank you Max....I really was embarrassed at that.....and it was only the previous posting.....a good lesson that I really must log in and then at least I could have edited it out and gone phew....as a guest I was stuck with it....blush!! , head for the corner and pray no one read it.

Regards and thanks

Gareth

Morgan48

[Frank]

head for the corner and pray no one read it.

I did  :twisted:

PP stands for Pink Paperweights or Postman Pat, or is it Perspiring People.

 :wink:

[Anonymous]

head for the corner and pray no one read it.

I did  :twisted:

PP stands for Pink Paperweights or Postman Pat, or is it Perspiring People.

 :wink:

Or in my case a Plateasmic Pillock more than likely.

Gareth

[KevinH]

Ah, but ... strictly speaking ... I suppose we ought always to define what we mean when we quote the initials PP in connection with weights ... because there was more than one "maker" with those initials - but it was not (usually) Perthshire Paperweights that used them :!:

Phoenix Paperweights (which only existed for a short time, working out of Willie Manson's studio, after the closure of Perthshire Paperweights) used a PP cane. Fortunately we can tell the difference because at Perthshire Paperweights, on the few occasions that PP was used it was always (I believe) in conjuction with a date in a combined cane, whereas for Phoenix Paperweights it was just the PP letters.

So asking what PP stands for is actually a good question. The truth can sometimes seem as elusive as that wonderful creature, the Pink Panther.

[Frank]

I think there is one aspec of paperweight identification not covered... individual cane recognition.

As far as I know, all paperweight makers make their own canes - probably at company level rather than individual.

This means that you can match weights by comparing canes to known examples.


Of course like the whole field of glass ID it has limitations. An example using Monart:

Some of the earliest Monart glass was decorated with millefiori or twist canes and also ink/scent bottles sometimes had stoppers with millefiori (see Monart catalogues - Millefiori canes page.

Here we have a unique resource that indicates these canes were ONLY used by the Ysart family. This can be a great resource for identifying Monart paperweights. However, canes were made in very long pieces and subsequently cut up many would last for a LONG time. So you could find 'Monart' canes in Vasart and Paul Ysart paperweights. Some of these canes from as early as the 1920's could in theory also be found in Strathearn, Perthshire Paperweights, Fake PY and fake J weights as well as those of independant paperweight makers who had access to the canes.

A CPC member told me that on one visit to PP, Stuart Drysdale had shown her 3 boxes full of Vasart canes.

So you can see the potentials for error in just using cane ID. But when you are able to match multiple canes you are more likely to find a good attribution. But other aspects must also be consistent.

[Max]

However, canes were made in very long pieces and subsequently cut up many would last for a LONG time. So you could find 'Monart' canes in Vasart and Paul Ysart paperweights.

How interesting!  Thanks Frank.  

The more I hear, the more I'm beginning to think that paperweights are perhaps the most confusing and difficult glass subject.  Would anyone say that's true, or is it just me, looking from the outside?