Connie, your right. Finally in my book on Westmoreland by Chas West Wilson, a study in total frustration if ever there was one, I found Lotus and there is no ray in the bottom. So guess we need to look elsewhere. Of course now I have to say why the book is so frustrating. Well the author assumes you know the line numbers and there is no index. So basically you just thumb through till you find what you are looking for. I will have to see if there are other books on Westmoreland. Terry