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RAY:
i kow what you mean kev about feeling the weight 1st hand, i just got a strathearn weight off ebay, just got it this morning 2 chips in it and a bull's eye on the side no mention of them in the lack of description, i got it cheap so not really bothered it's a p6 flower with the yellow date cane and with white s cane

just been looking at the new photos and what a diffrence, i still say clichy even though i still havent managed to steal my books back off me mum

Frank:
:?:  :?

Leni:
Hasn't anyone else got any ideas?   :(

I have continued to search the internet and re-read my paperweight books, but I've only succeeded in confusing myself even more!   :shock:  :roll:

I thought about St Mande for a while, but there aren't that many examples around to compare - and some books don't mention them at all!   :roll:  Then I began to think maybe Clichy again, but it's the combination of the complex canes that is confusing me   :?

On the whole I guess I'm still thinking Bohemian, though.  Trouble is, the only one of my books which goes into much detail on Bohemian weights is the Jargstorf, and I haven't found much at all on the net!

Kevin, have you had any more thought on this one yourself, or any further 'hints' you could give me?

Leni   :?

KevinH:
Hi Leni,

I have been tied up with all sorts of things recently but have now checked through various books and sale catalogues for any canes that may match those in your weight. I will add some more info soon (with some images, maybe), but for now, I can offer some thoughts that illustrate one of the many problems with cane identification.

As I know you have Pat Reilly's book, Leni, take a look at page 24, image top left. It's a Clichy chequer with a cane having an outer row of Stars. Ray said that he felt he knew of a Clichy cane with a six-point star surrounded by 5 stars, similar to one in your weight. And he may be right, although as yet I have not found a direct equivalent of that cane in a Clichy weight.

The image shown here is an enlargement from the weight in Pat Reilly's book: http://tinypic.com/4lrqfk

This cane helps to show that Clichy certainly did make 6-point star canes [but so did just about all millefiori makers] and therefore could have produced a complex cane with stars in the middle and in the outer parts.

However ...

From your pics of the canes we can clearly see that the central part of the cane Ray referred to has an appearance of being a light blue core with a darker blue "ruled" star pattern. Yet, in the view through the base, the same cane looks rather different - it shows the blue inner star as a regular "filled in" pattern within a thin coating of light blue.

What has happened is that the cane has distorted during the setting such that from the top view the inner part has closed up leaving the image of a specific type of star pattern that actually did not exist in the cane when it was made  :!:

As I have said, your weight has some features that illustrate some of the difficulties in making an attribution. And this "distorted star" perfectly highlights a general rule when checking paperweight canes. If the base is clear, always study the canes through the base as well as the dome to check whether any distortions have occurred. Often it does not make much difference, but occasionally it can highlight crucial evidence.

More to come ...

RAY:
got my books back today, just been looking at them and the last one i looked in came up with the clichy star, looking at Lenis green cane set up you can see the blue star in the center described as six pointed star in  the kulles lampwork book and the outer canes purple/white as in the photo from the book , click on image for larger image

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