Topic: Two pieces of Sowerby for assistance please

[Sue C]

Ah, thought it could have been the crossed over leaves of the leek, but not so sure now.

[josordoni]

No, if they were leeks they would be rather diseased ones I think!   

[Max]

Lynne, thanks for the Samphire note.  There's a Samphire Ho near Dover and I always meant to Google it...now I have.    I didn't know the other name for Samphire is Glasswort and it was used in the glass industry.  Cheers for the info!   

[josordoni]

and I had forgotten about the glass link - perhaps it actually is samphire rather than twigs? 

(samphire to eat... ptah, ptooey.... all fibres and sticky bits )

[josordoni]

Right..... so back to the drawing board for the thistle comport, since it isn't Sowerby at all.

Doh!!!!!!!!

Since when has a Sowerby piece had a Greener mark on it then, eh???  Tell me that then?

(please may I have a new brain for Christmas pretty please.... )

[Bernard C]

Lynne — We all make mistakes — thanks for your correction.

Which Greener punched TM, the earlier Star or the later Halbard / Axe?

As for possible Welsh emblems, the earliest piece I've found is a wonderful black three-legged vase / spill holder, popularly attributed to Davidson (probably without any real evidence) and rather vaguely dated to c.1890.   See Notley/Miller's p.29.   This has everything, including lions' heads and feet, heraldic escutcheons, greek key, floral swags, and panels containing the three floral country symbols, between each of which is a leek/onion/daffodil hybrid of some vague nature.   Perhaps it was just infill.

Bernard C. 

[josordoni]

I think it's the early Angus and Greener star.  I've popped a pic up for us, I'd be grateful if you would check it for me Bernard.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7280

[Bernard C]

Yes, Lynne, that's the star.   It's not early enough for Angus & Greener, but is either Henry Greener or Greener & Co.

Bernard C. 

[josordoni]

Righty ho, I am just gleaning from the various bits online about the Sunderland/Tyneside glassworks, and obviously misunderstood the various incarnations of Mr Greener and his glassworks! 

Am I right that the star lion was in use 1875-1885?

[Bernard C]

Lynne — Yes, more or less, with the usual caveats, as no-one really knows that accurately.

Bernard C.