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"Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
Jay:
Hi Anne and all,
I've started a draft page about 'BELGE' marks. Do you have any more photographs you can add? (perhaps variant VSL pressed marks?)
www.hogelandshoeve.nl/bedraft/
I've just got a copy of Massart's book, but I didn't find any new clues! :) I'll work on the page more before 'publishing' it.
Anne Tique:
Sorry Jay, I had not noticed your question.
I only have three, maybe four different pressed marks of VSL, either VSL or Val St Lambert in full, followed by Belgique or Belgium.
On my Pinterest page I have a board 'Signatures' with images from my own pieces and images found on the internet, please help yourself as it's easier like that. Doesn't cost anything to join Pinterest, you only need to register.
I had one bright blue Romeo bowl that was partly satin finished and the mold was extraordinary crisp, the signature came up very nice.
There's one piece, a carp on a custom made lamp base, that is catalogued in the Luxval series (not as lamp but just the carp), and this particular piece is acid marked, perhaps it was a production pre Luxval but besides that, I have no other examples, not that I know of either.
Other pieces that you might come across have a black painted and elegant cursive VSL signature, often to be found on vases with satin finish like Girofla and Coqueret, but these are pre Luxval as well.
I remember being told once, yonks ago, that everything signed Fait en Belgique is always Scailmont, but we know now, that this is simply not true, and I have just heard another thing about VSL, that the signatures were payable ??? 300fB the equivalent of €7,50 per piece, but that doesn't make sense to me ... Who got charged with those costs then? The client? I don't know where this wisdom comes from but for now it's just another rumour that adds to the confusion I guess.
Jay:
I've found three examples of the black enamel VSL mark, and yes! They're all on satine ('frosted') vases around the beginning of Luxval.
It was a very good party at New Year, but produced very poor photos ;-) so I'll get some nice sharp images for the files, and happily share later if they are of interest.
Can I suggest that the extra price might be for (all) the satine versions (which should? all have the black mark) and that your correspondent has rather misinterpreted the reason for the higher prices.
I noticed in particular this variant mark below, which I hadn't seen before.
Couldn't (yet) find a Carp to compare for you. :(
Anne Tique:
Is that image yours Jay? Like you, I have never seen that one either. Can I use it please?
I wonder if these black signatures are not pre Luxval by a couple of years. Besides just a couple of pressed glass models for vases, pre Luxval there was not a lot. Everything was cut glass before that when it came to vases.
It could be possible that they were just trying to find a solution to the problem of the depression at the time, creating a few models and decided to create a whole series shortly after that.
Here's the link for the acid mark on the carp.
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/21464479-charles-graffart-val-saint-lambert-crystal-carp-table-lamp
Re the prices on signature, I would not know, I've never read anything about this, I only came across that statement in a different forum but no source if where that info came from, totally new to me too.
Jay:
Dear Anne,
I did another update to the Belgian pages which you can review at www.hogelandshoeve.nl/be/
I'd be happy to credit the use of the photos on the Marks and labels page, Just let me know how you'd like the credit text.
There's still a few things to fix on the pages, but I would like to put them online next week?!
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