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Just bragging - what I bought today!
josordoni:
--- Quote from: Glen on November 05, 2007, 01:26:51 PM ---Nice pieces Tim. I have a penchant for the Four Flowers Variant. It is an enigma...and I love a mystery!
Just a brief note to clarify a point that is often misunderstood. The eBay auction that Lynne mentioned states it is for a Dugan Four Flowers Variant bowl. That's a contradiction in terms. Dugan made the Four Flowers pattern. It was copied by the Swedes and Finns, who made a pattern that is identical, but usually different in colour to that produced by Dugan. The Scandinavian/Nordic examples are very seldom seen.
Then there is the Four Flowers Variant - which is what Tim has. The maker is not confirmed, but I suspect it was made in Europe (possible England). I do not have proof absolute. I've spent considerable time researching this pattern, and you can read a few bits below.
Article based on the presentation and display we did at the Carnival Glass Socitey (UK) in 2005
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/FFV.html
Article where I try (probably in vain) to dispel a myth or two
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/MythFFV.html
Old article on wwwcga's website where I wrote about a survey I did into "finds" of the Four Flowers Variant.
http://www.carnivalglass.org/education/fourflower/index.asp
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Thanks Glen - with no pic, I had to work on just the words, and didn't realise that it was ambiguous... Very interesting articles as ever!
Glen:
Hi Lynne - it was a good auction link that you gave, as it illustrated the point perfectly. The ambiguity seems entrenched within Carnival collecting, and it is an uphill battle to get the message out. I often read eBay auctions that have the whole thing muddled up (e.g. Four Flowers Variant by Eda Glasbruks....and I want to shout "NOOOOOOOOOO"). :o
EDITED TO ADD:
Here's another typical mix-up. It shows a Sunflower & Diamond vase. The one in this auction is a Brockwitz example in the fairly common size and colour. It is not the rare Eda version (which is what the seller thinks).
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290178271044
Sue C:
I picked up this little Pineapple pattern creamer, i'm well pleased ;D
josordoni:
--- Quote from: Glen on November 05, 2007, 02:46:27 PM ---Hi Lynne - it was a good auction link that you gave, as it illustrated the point perfectly. The ambiguity seems entrenched within Carnival collecting, and it is an uphill battle to get the message out. I often read eBay auctions that have the whole thing muddled up (e.g. Four Flowers Variant by Eda Glasbruks....and I want to shout "NOOOOOOOOOO"). :o
EDITED TO ADD:
Here's another typical mix-up. It shows a Sunflower & Diamond vase. The one in this auction is a Brockwitz example in the fairly common size and colour. It is not the rare Eda version (which is what the seller thinks).
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290178271044
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And here's another one that seems to have various misunderstandings in it based on what you have said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260178164416
Dugan Variant.. no, not Dugan.
David Doty's site said it was made FOR DUGAN in Europe. No he didn't ... he said it was different to the Dugan and was made in Europe...
Green is rare.... is it? Where?
I find sad that someone has bothered to do the research, and then can't get it right from the research site...?
and ohmigod.... please please please don't anyone copy the Caps Style of auction listing....
Quackers:
Thanks Glen - I knew it was complicated, but at least I did remember that it wasn't Dugan ;). What I find strange is that these two pieces jumped into my car in the same week when I have gone months without finding any nice Carnival locally at all :-\. At the same carboot a couple of months ago there was a trader with a near pair of blue Northwood Treetrunk vases (about 10") with all manner of chips, scratches etc, hardly any irridizing left on them - and he wanted £100 for them :o. At a boot fair!
Emmi, did you find that must have then???
Lynne - that last one you found does worry me, apart from the wrong attribution, that awful block CAPS and the disclaimer about not being experts - they say it has a "GREAT IRRIDIZED FINISH WITH MINOR AGE CRAZING ON THE BACK ONLY". Okay I don't know that much about Carnival (only got 150 or so pieces 8)) but I don't think that it crazes with age?! So what is wrong with it? All I can see on the photos are a few manufacturing lines (straw marks)....
Tim
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