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BJB:
I don't know if this is on the right board, but anyway here goes :wink:

Had a lovely evening last Friday with an elderly glass dealer friend, who brought round several paperweights.

Each had a PY cane, (two flowers, a fish and  others,) and he told me they were fakes!!! made in the 1980's


Now, to be honest, I think he had bought them as "all right", as you don't spend money on 7 or more fakes surely? and then was informed they were wrong. :(

Now, to me, they looked OK, the flower ones were lovely with really complicated canes as the centers, but I am no expert :D  :D
 :lol:  :lol:


When I asked Ron on Friday his explanation was Paul Ysart was tied into a contract which said he could only make  weights with the PY cane for one person and one outlet and made these "fake" weights to sell on the side, so to speak.  


What I would really like to know is, how can you tell a fake? who decided they are fakes? why were they made? would Paul Ysart really have done that?

Not much really :roll: Barbara

Anonymous:
Hi Barbara

If you log onto Franks superb site there are examples of genuine and fake PY weights... and if my memory serves me well an explanation also.
I would add however that distinguishing genuine from well made fakes requires a good deal of hands on experience and knowledge of the techniques used by the artist in question..... and me....I wouldn't know one from the other .
I dont know who told Ron the explanation you quoted but I hope they all got home ok :wink:  :wink:  


Regards


Gareth


Morgan48

BJB:
Hi Gareth,

I agree with you, jackanory does spring to mind :wink: , but it might have been true!

He is a good friend, and a really nice person,but not as knowledgeable as he thinks he is :(

The canes didn't look like the fake ones, but as you say, it is needs a real expert to see them, and photographs how ever good they are are never as good as looking at the real thing.

To be honest, I'm more confused than ever. It was lovely seeing the paperweights, but it hasn't helped any :oops:

If I decide to buy I will ask here first.

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "BJB" ---Hi Gareth,


To be honest, I'm more confused than ever. It was lovely seeing the paperweights, but it hasn't helped any :oops:

If I decide to buy I will ask here first.
--- End quote ---


Hi Barbara


I didnt realise from your posting that you were considering buying one or some of these.... in that case I do strongly advise you to proceed with caution...and I must stress that in no reflects on the sellers credibility but his knowledge here does appear somewhat limited. What would really help you is if you could get some photographs first, post them here and then one of paperweight experts here could abvise you further.
One point worth mentioning is that a good forger often has considerable skills so again dont be swayed by the complexity of the pieces you are being show as confirmation of positive attribution.


Regards


Gareth


Morgan48

BJB:
Hi Gareth,

No, I don't want to buy any for now. But the funny thing was I saw a very small paperweight in a silver setting at a boot fair Saturday, and the seller said it was a Ysart. I forgot to go back and have another look, and for a tenner I would have risked it!

The reason I said I thought my friend bought them for real is the fact they still had his price labels on the bases £300-£500 each!! Ouch! He tried to hide them, then came out with "that" story. What are fakes worth today? Something, I suppose even if for research purposes.

Barbara

(Did like the fish one though :lol: )

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