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Walther Glass Like Moser?
BJB:
Hi Glen,
I'm sorry that I hadn't replied to your post, I hadn't seen it :oops:
Am up to my armpits washing at the moment, why do children find out all the clothes they "need" to take on holiday are under the bed dirty and screwed up :cry:
I think I like the bowls and centre pieces better than the Moser like glass items. Not to keen on dressing table sets.
I think I must have lead a more sheltered life than you because I didn't know that they made carnival glass, and until recently thought most of their glass was Bagley or Sowerby :oops:
If Jobling copied Lalique and Bagley copied Jobling, and Sowerby copied Bagley etc etc did Walther come in at the begining or tailgate at the end?
Barbara
(Who MUST learn how to spell Scandanavian :oops: :oops: :oops: wishing there was a spell checker)
Glen:
Barbara - I sympathise with you re. the washing and packing (been there, done it, got the dirty tee shirt :roll: )
You actually pose a very interesting topic:
--- Quote ---If Jobling copied Lalique and Bagley copied Jobling, and Sowerby copied Bagley etc etc did Walther come in at the begining or tailgate at the end?
--- End quote ---
There was a great deal of plagiarism among the pressed glass makers. Not only were they copying each other, they were also using each others moulds sometimes too. But I think it's not quite as simple as just copying. I personally see it more as a response to public demand and taste. If the style of the moment was, say, all things oriental, then were those who made designs suggestive of, say, peacock feathers copying each other, or were they responding to the stimulus of current style/trends?
What I'm trying to say (probably clumsily) is this: were the glass makers copying each other, or simply coming up with similar responses to common and current style trends? I'll answer my own question - both!
Another thing you mentioned -
--- Quote ---I think I must have lead a more sheltered life than you because I didn't know that they made carnival glass, and until recently thought most of their glass was Bagley or Sowerby
--- End quote ---
Don't worry on this score - most people have no idea that Walther made Carnival Glass. I only discovered it myself about four or five years ago (around the time that I alerted Chris and Siegmar to Walther and Cloud Glass).
They did not make a vast amount of Carnival, but nevertheless it is most interesting to be able to identify items they did make - and in doing so, solve a few mysteries.
Anonymous:
Glen
I see on the c/glass site you are credited with providing a photograph of a Walther sepia cloud glass bowl with a "W"..... is there any chance you could post that photograph on this thread please that clearly shows this mark.
Regards
Gareth
Morgan48
Glen:
Gareth - I don't think the bowl has been firmly attributed to Walther. On the Cloud Glass website I am credited with information about Walther (blame me for spotting, back in 2001, that Walther made Cloud Glass) and also (separately) for a photo of a sepia bowl with a W mark on it. I sent Chris the photos back in 2001. I have the email but I can't find the photos right now. I do still have the bowl and will have to try and get a pic sometime. Below is part of what I wrote to Chris back then.....
--- Quote ---I am attaching 3 photos of the inside of the bowl, the outside and also the W trademark. The W is cameo in the center of the marie, underneath. Quite small, but very distinct indeed. There is no pattern or ribbing on the bowl - very smooth indeed
--- End quote ---
Maybe Chris has the photos somewhere. I'll get another one done when I can
a) find the bowl
b) ask Steve to pretty please take a pic (he is sooo much better than I am at that).
Glen
BJB:
Hi Glen,
Rushing in after putting yet another load on the line (just glad its fine :D )
I have noticed that alot of Walther glass is mis-attributed on ebay and also "proper" auction houses. In the latter case usually by people who think they know and wont be told otherwise :evil: (and I have tried)
Hubby has said that if the vase is still there after the holiday AND we can try and get the price down it might be worth getting because of the mark on the base, a sort of reference for future use.
It would be nice to know which glass factory started the figural craze in the first place. Must be quite scary to make a range of complex moulds and not know if it will be popular or not. I suppose, thinking about it, the glass people copied the bronze and ivory figures which were being made in Germany and France, and made them available for the mass market :?:
Is the Walther cloud and carnival glass marked? I haven't seen any marks on the bowls or frogs I have had.
Barbara
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