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Author Topic: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!  (Read 3621 times)

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Offline TxSilver

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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2009, 07:11:40 PM »
Thanks for posting the links, Shannon. The label is a bit unusable, but the information is good. I like the red vase that you posted. I had no idea who did it, and didn't even suspect Chinese.
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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2009, 07:40:26 PM »
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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2009, 11:21:04 PM »
But it (the ebay one) doesn't have the clear petals/scoops of the one originall sited (which made me think Murano).

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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2009, 11:47:20 PM »
The angle of the photograph nearly hides the scoops under the rim. I checked and was able to pick them out. The bottom scoops are difficult to pick out with the dark color and distant photo.
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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2009, 06:26:04 AM »
I'm still not completely convinced - there may be hope yet. :-\ The 'scoops' on Shandiane's piece are directly under the troughs of the ruffles, whereas on the labelled Chinese piece, they are under the peaks. The eBay piece doesn't seem to me to have as much mica (or are they bubbles?), the rim is a different shape with rounded peaks rather than rounded troughs, and generally, even allowing for a bad photograph, doesn't seem to have as good quality as Shandiane's.


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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2009, 05:03:35 PM »
The two vases look very much alike to me in that they have the same overall shape, and have been worked using the same techniques: a ruffled top, where some of of the lips have been left more upright and others pulled down or out, a tool has been used to push the glass near the top, there's a slightly different shaped push at the bottom, and another tool created mark on the main part of the body. I'm also allowing for the variation that's inherent in the process. Shannon's picture is better and has more light in it which shows off the colour and the bubbles, as well as making it look like a better quality vase. It's the bubbles in the first vase that make me think that it could be Chinese, as I haven't seen bubbles like that in any European vases.

What I get from Shannon's recent contribution is that we have to add China to the list of place where these vases are/were made. It's relatively easy to identify the Czech Skrdlovice pieces because of the colours, the workmanship, and the use of the compressed air to soften the pulled and pushed sections. Yet there were (probably still are) other factories in Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic doing pieces not unlike this. Marcus suggests Chribska, for example. Add Murano, and Sweden (apparently Aseda produced very similar looking vases), and Chalet in Canada and it often becomes difficult to identify a specific location as the origin of any vase.

I suppose my personal view is that it doesn't particularly matter at that point. I don't think a Murano vase is any better than a Czech vase (certainly not a Skrdlovice, obviously my favourite), and Aseda vase, or a Chalet. From the look of Shannon's vase, I'd put the Chinese vase in last place, but not by that much. For fairly generic pieces, which these are, I think, some times I feel we'd be better off focusing on the virtues of the piece itself, more than trying to tie it to a specific location. Would I like or value (aesthetically not monetarily) Shannon's original vase more if it were proven to be Murano? Of course, that's a very specific collector's (me) point of view. I'm sure sellers and other collectors would have a different viewpoint.

There was another thread on a similar type of vase, but with a very plain mouth, that you might find interesting. http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19903.0.html

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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2009, 02:51:07 AM »
I wonder what people make of this vase, which has just finished on eBay.  140303405813.

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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2009, 12:14:47 AM »
I wonder what people make of this vase, which has just finished on eBay.  140303405813.

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I think it is a lovely vase but...no clear scoops, not sommeroso, what scoops there are placed differently...Not convinced.

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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2009, 06:53:42 AM »
I wonder what people make of this vase, which has just finished on eBay.  140303405813.

A strange hybrid!  I think this one would be Italian, even though (to my old wrinkly eyes) it looks odd.  I've got a vase out in the shed which you'd never think would be sommerso, but it is, with some age too.  I hope I'm right and this one has wear to the base.

Edit:  I had another thought.  The Blais gallery is down at the moment, but maybe this one is Chalet glass?  Looks like the top rim is cut, which is rather Chalet-ish?  Don't know if they used Sommerso, but seeing the designers started from Italy...maybe?



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Re: Bollicine Vase - Italian, Scandi, Polish, Czech?!
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2009, 12:38:13 AM »
Didn't (doesn't?) Chalet sign theirs?  :huh:

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