Topic: Could this be Argos?

[Sklounion]

Hi,
In the case of the Argos pattern numbers I am drawing from 1940s(VBG) and 1950s (Sklarny Inwald) catalogues.
Regards,
Marcus

[krsilber]

Deco queen's tray doesn't have the ribs that the other Argos items apparently have.

Is there much silver deposit in that style over there?  I've seen Italian glass with very thin silver decoration, and some supposedly Bohemian glass with it, but don't know how widespread it is otherwise.

[Jay]

So here's the version of it that I just acquired.
I have to say it certainly ISN'T light, in fact it's so heavy that I would have guessed Sklo even in the dark! LOL! (They never seemed to choose 'delicate' over 'robust' there, did they?! ;-)

I can't see any notable difference from the rest of my verified items. (weight, colour, pattern, relief etc. all seems right!)

In the third picture is a small plate ('bonbon plate'?) in light green. Although this has the Argos pattern, it IS noticably (surprisingly) thinner though still not 'delicate'.
I searched for any marks, just to be doubly sure, but find nothing!

[deco.queen]

Deco queen's tray doesn't have the ribs that the other Argos items apparently have.

YES, it does Kristi.  It's very hard to get them to show up with all that silver on there, in my first post I mentioned the darts on the sides.  It is exactly like the one Jay is showing except his is divided into four parts.

[Jay]

Marcus,

Can we try some reverse logic? For the Dutch market (at least) a milk and sugar set (with spoon vase) Needs to be on a (matching tray). No retailer here could have shifted them without a tray!
Is there another pattern for the tray suggested in the catalogues?

Leerdam (my own 'local' factory) was often pushed into designs off-catalogue by the demands of foreign buyers! For example although Dutch people put their ice coupes onto a separate saucer, the US 'demanded' that the saucer be molded onto the coupe to form a single piece.
(The export version of the design never appeared in (local) catalogues.)

Could this be the right TYPE of explanation?

Is there a possibility that production of the pattern was moved to another factory during reorganisation? Perhaps to a factory that did not produce a (surviving) catalogue?

Can we use colour as a partial clue? The light green plate above is lighter in weight. It's also a colour that I wouldn't expect from Sklo, and don't have any evidence of genuine Argos designs in this colour?

(Does 'Flint' refer to the Whitefriars tint?)

If this was a design that was emulated in France as the evidence cited suggests, then it would be nice to have the opinion of anyone in France who could comment on the availability of this pattern there.
(I'm equally fascinated by the factories who stole designs from each other, so intrigued to find signs of 'wrongdoing' even if we are still a long way from proving it in court)

[deco.queen]

I just wanted to show that this piece has the "darts" on the outside, boy was it hard to get them to show up!
(The bottom is like the Czech vase I have.)

[krsilber]

Whoops!  Duh.  Read much, Kristi?

[deco.queen]

http://www.hogelandshoeve.nl/index18.html

Is this your site Jay?  There is a relish on this page in smoke color just like yours and it says Argos.  I'm still thinking mine is Argos.  I know Marcus, we need proof.   

Regards,
Janice

(By the way, my relish is very heavy also.)

[Jay]

Yes, that's my site (although Argos is strictly speaking outside its scope)!

I have a few more items on the way already and will post pics of anything interesting!

[deco.queen]

I have had a wonderful time going through every page of your site and almost 100% of your links.  Really great information and pictures.  Thank you!