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Anonymous:
I'd go along happily with maltese!
Ivo

Hotglass:

--- Quote ---It's hard to tell from your description whether the cloudy amber-like qualities are from muck or in the glass!
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Sorry Sue, for the confusion. I shall try to be clearer but that partly reflects my own confusion.

There is definately cloudyness within the glass and a certain amount of cloudyness was intended, I think. But maybe it came out more cloudy than intended.

What I don't know is if deposits of some kind on the inside are making it look more cloudy than it should. I am beginning to suspect that it has become more cloudy with time but I really have no way of knowing that for sure.

I think my washing so far has made it a little clearer than it was when I got it. That could partly be just dust and accumulated dirt.  I have used undiluted vinegar, ordinary washing up liquid and maybe salt. I thought bleach might make it worse.

If there are desposits inside I dont think they are organic / biological. There is no smell to the inside and the cloudyness is very varigated ....not at all even which is what I would expect if there was something organic going on. Some patches are almost clear.

However the greasyness is making me wonder if there is not some kind of chemical reaction happening. At this stage I'm ready to consider any possibility !!! Could it be "sick" glass ?

Maybe but the base, where I would expect most "sickness" if caused by damp ...is the clearest part of the whole thing !

Thank you again for your time and consideration.

chopin-liszt:
:D:D:D
Hello again, apologies for the delay, I've been very busy with family staying, the Conference in Perth, and being wiped out after doing too much (ME/chronic fatigue).

Anyway, this has been quite exciting! I was very curious about my piece, but I think we can, fairly safely, say Mdina for both.

I went to investigate a bottle I have recently acquired that was of the same dimensions as yours, but with a very definite early Mdina pattern in it, and found...... it was slippery! I weighed it, (without the stopper) and found it is 650 grams, but it is thin for Mdina (see pictures).

I have also taken pictures of the "amber-like" bottle vase I have that I think is similar in design to yours, only yellows rather than oranges. This bottle weighs 600 grams (without the stopper). It is a fair bit smaller than the one the same size as yours. I do not yet know if it will go slippery.

Both of my bottles have typical Mdina stoppers.

I think the slipperiness is probably in keeping with early Mdina, as they did tend to use fairly poor quality glass in the beginning. I am now starting to go around my bits, checking for slipperiness, and have found it on a few pieces. I'd never noticed this before!

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The base of my "amber-style" one is polished flat (- ish!), which is in keeping with what you say about yours!

nigel benson:
Hi All,

I agree with Sue - Mdina.

I have owned two of these bottles/vases, with exactly the same form and sort of size (from memory) for 12 or so years. I was given them by an elderly friend who had also owned them for some years. She gave them to me when she moved and I recall she said they were from Malta.

I cannot recall the colours exactly (they are not out at present) although I do know one had this sort of toffee/fawn colouring. Both have flat, ground and polished bases. I have never felt that they were anything else but Mdina - but missing the stoppers. Of course there is no evidence that there should be a stopper since they are always so loose fitting. I've just always felt they demand a stopper and when putting in a spare one that I happen to have it feels/looks correct - but that's no proof of course. Lastly, I have always assumed them to be early on stylistic grounds, and if using Jackson "20th Century Factory Glass" this seems to be confirmed  where she says that early pieces (1969-72) were not marked.

I hope this helps a tad, Nigel :)

chopin-liszt:
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Thank-you Nigel! I have to say I felt a certain amount of trepidation when I saw you'd replied here - I though I might be shot down in flames!
My gut reaction to the amber-like yellow piece, as soon as I saw it, however, was early Mdina.

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