Topic: Fake Baccarat

[Simone]

Hi Alan, it looks like a Caithness Poinsettia to me... :spls:

[alexander]

Is it just me or does the seller of this last weight often appear as the seller of weights questionnably marked Baccarat ?

[glasstrufflehunter]

That's definitely Caithness. I have a shamrock weight the the identical canes.

The bottom looks like it was ground a bit to remove the caithness sig.

[aa]

Has anybody actually had one of these in their hands to examine? It might be worthwhile getting hold of one to actually see what has been done to it, ie whether the signature is sandblasted or acid-etched and also to see whether the bottom has been ground or not. I had a look at the sellers other items. Does anybody have a catalogue reference for those caskets?  I know Baccarat do a lot of contract work, but they didn't jump off the screen screaming Baccarat at me!

[ALLAN]

Hi All,
       The weight is a Caithness  Mini Pointsettia, and a second quality one at that.The proper ones were facetted if I remember rightly.The ring of canes are of the design we knew as "No' 10" cane;for no other reason than it was the tenth "single pull" millefiori design that Harry Mckay and I devised. This was back in the early eighties when we did the original canes for the  Lampwork/millefiori  studio which I started up in 1983. we continued to use that pattern, and some of the other original numbers, right up to the day we closed the Perth Glasshouse.these included no's 12,14 and 16 cane design,which most commonly were used for the Luckenbooth design.
                                 Allan
P.s The flower would of ,probably, been made by either myself or Rosette Fleming.

[aa]

Presumably someone will be emailing the seller  (or sending a message via the Ebay system) explaining that this is not a Baccarat paperweight?

[mjr]

Not much point.  This is the usual "Baccarat" vendor.  Any messages tend to be ignored by the vendor and ebay.  See postings passim

[Frank]

I don't know how a fake mark affects value.

The general impact of fakes is to reduce the value of genuine items as it creates uncertainty.

Not helped when people start paying as much for identified fakes as for some of the real thing as has happened with the PY fakes vs. Low end PY weights! An effect which makes it attractive to make more fakes! Curiosity is fine but best assuaged with pictures of the fakes then competing for them.

[Leni]

I reported this item as a counterfeit.  I fully expect ebay to do nothing and for the auction to run its course. 

As usual.

[aa]

Not much point.  This is the usual "Baccarat" vendor.  Any messages tend to be ignored by the vendor and ebay.  See postings passim

From my experience, if you want to stop this sort of thing you need an audit trail. In the UK if you were to report it to trading standards, the first thing they are going to ask is whether you approached the seller to point out a misattribution and see whether they were prepared to change it. I would imagine the same would be expected in Houston by the relevant authority.