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Is this Clutha Glass? - Nazeing or Not Nazeing...
Glassyone:
I decided that this was probably so after reading George Manley's book some time ago. Now I have discovered all the experts here it would be good to see if I was right or not!
I have a blue jug very similar to the green too and a large heavy green vase.
http://tinypic.com/a3fvj4.jpg
http://tinypic.com/a3ggg2.jpg
Ruth.
:?:
Anonymous:
Hi Ruth
They do have quite similar characteristics to Nazeing, which if you hadn't said Clutha then Nazeing is what I would have said they are........ although I'm not the one to ask about that. Nigel Benson I believe is the guy you need.
Any chance of photographs of the bases please
Regards
Gareth
Connie:
In my limited experience, the colors do not look like Steuben Cluthra if that is the style to which you refer.
Edited to add: :oops: Now I am up tp speed. It is soooooooo confusing to have American and Scottish glass which is somewhat simliar in technique and name.
Frank has a good example of Clutha, Nazeing and Cluthra here -
http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/NotYsart.htm
Glassyone:
'Clutha' is Scottish glass, made by James Couper and sons'
In Cyril Manley's book, example 240 looks to me very similar in every way to this small blue jug.
http://tinypic.com/a4lx0o.jpg
[which I do not like as much as mine because of shape and handle]
and the blue looks [ sort of ] similar glass to the small green ones.
I believed that for reasons now forgotten that this type of glass was named 'Clutha' after the river and the bubbles and pattern are supposed to be evocative of water but whatever, Cyril Manley says " I believe that there are only two reasons that it is bought at all" ---because Queen Victoria admired it when she visited the factory and and because the firm employed two first class glass designers---Christopher Dresser and George Walton.
And
"signed pieces are almost impossible to find"
Now he descibes the jug 240 as ' unusual' but sold to him as blue '' Clutha, long before any interest was shown in this type of glass ware".
Here are the pics of the bases--
blue
http://tinypic.com/a4moow.jpg
Green
http://tinypic.com/a4ms82.jpg
I have a large heavy green similar glass vase which is similar in some ways but not quite and the base is different.
That would complicate things too much.
On a more personal note---
I spent 25 years buying glass from car boot sales and fairs because glass appealed to me.
Stuff it, lets be honest, it spoke to me. Glass is just wonderful and very affordable but can be enigmatic and hard to identify.
It is more difficult, if you are/have collected/[ing] because you see something there that you find a connection with, without discrimination, in terms of provenance, rather than collecting xy or z.
This forum is just quite, well, perfect. There is a great balance between those of us fairly ignorant and experts and such generosity and tact that
well, how do you celebrate this ??
Ruth, not synchophantic,[ no wish to have people vomit!]
nigel benson:
Hi Ruth,
Just back from the Perth Conference - which was great!
The clue to the origin of No.240 in the Manley book is in your qoute "I was sold this as .......", which of course does not make it a piece of Clutha - only a wish/thought by the original seller.
Indeed it is a mis-attribution and is NOT Clutha.
As an aside I was lucky enough to handle this actual blue piece, on the stand of the person re-selling it after the Cyril Manley sale, back in 1986. Nothing about it supported the supposition that it was Clutha, and nobody who understood anything about Clutha at the time agreed with the attribution.
From memory, neither did it necessarily support the idea of Nazeing being the company of origin. I have discussed my views about pieces like this elsewhere on these postings on a number of occasions.
Not very satisfactory for you, Ruth, I'm afraid, sorry.
Kind regards, Nigel
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