Topic: Dartington ring holder? or 'rare penny lick'??

[KevinH]

Sorry, Rosie, you have lost me - what does not happen very often?

[rosieposie]

Being speechless!!!
Oh KevH, look what I have found on eBay 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-Daisy-Maker-with-instructions-patterns_W0QQitemZ200251917259QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200251917259
Now you can have one for yourself, and see what fun they are!! :hiclp:

[rosieposie]

LOOK! LOOK! LOOK!   I have just found this!!!
Just for you KevH.......  http://crochet4you1.tripod.com/136.htm
That is the baby coat pattern I was making!!!  Have I just given my age away!!?

[rosieposie]

And this one!!!   http://willowvalleystore.typepad.com/willowvalleystore/2008/04/my-robotic-sea.html

Help Anne, get me out of here!!

[KevinH]

Ah! I see. 

But, being a slightly pedantic sort of person, surely, daisy patterns made that way are not crocheted in the true sense as was suggested:

... a daisy maker... that you use to make crochet daisies ...

That form of construction is more like the "pin art" of the 1970s, where pictures were formed by winding thread around small nails / pins hammered through a paper template (which was later removed) and into a wooden base usally first covered with black felt [but not to be confused with the "3D pin art" of the 1980s that appears to be making a comeback in some places].

However, I accept that in crochet work, "long loops" can be used to form a more "open pattern", but the "solidity" of the pattern would be achieved by using a thicker thread or combining "chains" together, rather than winding several loops of thread around a "former".

I put it to the jury that "daisy makers" of the type discussed do not produce "crochet daisies", even if the separate products can be incorporated into a crocheted object.

[Anne]

That's quite true Kev, being a crocheting person (as opposed to a crotchety person!  )  also, I've made a fair few crocheted daisies in my time!

Mine were done with a fine crochet hook and built up into quite fancy multi-petal flowers quite different from the type made on the daisy-maker Rosie is talking about.

[rosieposie]

Yes KevH, if you go by what I originally said, then you are correct, but I did go on to qualify it later with:-

This is what the daisy maker makes, and you can either sew them on as daisies or incorporate them into the crochet pattern.

Now it is my turn to get pedantic!!!
I didnt say that they were crocheted daisies, only that when made thay could be INCORPORATED into the crochet pattern.
Is this how wars are started.........?   Shall we start a cofee war?  Oh what a tangled 'thread' we weave...

Before we lose sight of the reason for mentioning this, we must remember that it was a light hearted gesture towards the alternative uses of the 'Penny Lick', and seemed a less painful and more lady-like use than some of the uses mentioned.



Should we digress to the 'ins and outs' of proctology mayhap? Now as a nurse, that is something I have had a hand in, if you know what I mean...... :spls:

Incidentally, I used to make 3D pin art in the 80's.......one was a yacht, and a DAISY....oh no, now we are back where we started!!

[KevinH]

Now it is my turn to get pedantic!!!
I didnt say that they were crocheted daisies, only that when made thay could be INCORPORATED into the crochet pattern.
Is this how wars are started.........?   Shall we start a cofee war?  Oh what a tangled 'thread' we weave...

Rosie, it sounds to me that my responses may have caused you some irritation. Sorry if that is the case but it was not intended. Your image and the links you provided were very useful in helping me see what was meant. But, you did originally say they were crochet daisies and your follow-up did not change that statement.

No wars starting on my part, I assure you.
 

[rosieposie]

Oh no KevH, I am not irritated in the least!   Truly! :angel:

This is all just good fun, and amazing how threads can 'weave' in and out of very diverse patterns of conversation.

So, the real question is, can you use the Ultra Rare Penny Lick/Dartington Ring Holder to weave Daisies for incorporating into crochet work as you would with a genuine Brass Daisy Maker?
As I posses both, perhaps it is incumbent upon me to try, but, only on the clear understanding that johnphillip demonstrates his suggested use, and Skegby73 makes the biscuits and meets me in the cafe for a game of chess!! KevH, you can referee!!? :chky:

[Anne]

Rosie, I think the sort of ringholder one needs for this might be the kind I found recently... it has handy balls around which one could loop the thread.