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Offline mdina glass

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Re: Paul ysart paperweights
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2008, 09:31:28 PM »
Hi all members i am new to this forum and have been reading the comments re ysart paperweights.Most of us know that fraudsters have gone to a lot of work useing time and money producing fake py canes in ysart weights in order to make them look real to deceive us they are not clever enough to do research and would not have wrote caithness 1962 on them when they would have only read about him at caithness in 1963.I have also read and seen that he was at caithness in late 1962 and will help out as much as i can .

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Re: Paul ysart paperweights
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2008, 12:40:17 AM »
1962 or 1963? Does it really make a difference? Perhaps! Perhaps not! But it's one of those uncertainties (like the year Paul Ysart actually left Caithness Glass) that arises out of differing "facts" from various literature and personal comments.

Taken together, the various entries in websites and books give an unclear idea. Some references give an explicit year of 1962 and others, 1963. At least one reference, based on Paul Ysart's stated age at the time (61), gives a deduced year (from his date of birth, June 1904) of either 1965 or 1966, which is too late and suggests a probable misprint of his age!

From certain references, I am beginning to think that the actual date of Paul's move may have been late in 1962 and perhaps as late as December. However ...

... as Frank says, the year 1963 came from Paul himself. As well as being given in the Ysart Glass book (1990), that date was also stated in the catalogue for the British Glass Between the Wars exhibition at Broadfield House Glass Museum in 1978.

Also, I have a CD of a set of taped interviews with Paul Ysart which were recorded in 1978 in preparation for a book on Scottish glass but which never made publication. On the tapes, Paul said that he started work, with his father, at Moncrieffs in Perth in 1922 and on two separate occasions he stated that he was with Moncrieffs for 41 years - suggesting the move to Caithness Glass at Wick was sometime in 1963.

I shall try to contact Peter Holmes to get confirmation of some of the "facts" reported.
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Re: Paul ysart paperweights
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2008, 12:52:58 AM »
Many Many thanks for your time Kev. If you require any photos of these paperweights for your web site or literature please let me know i am sure we can arange a meet for you to photo them properly.
Gary

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2008, 12:54:20 AM »
Hi "mdina glass". Welcome to the Board and to this discussion.

The weights with false py canes were produced long after the period we are thinking about here and, in any event, I am absolutely sure (athough I did originally use the words "appear to be") that both of Gary's weights are genuine Paul Ysart items - and, in my view, very nice ones they are, too!
KevinH

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Re: Paul ysart paperweights
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2009, 06:41:30 PM »
I have found out Paul ysart actualy started work at Caithness in May of 1962 as it says in the English paperweight book as a consultant initialy. Both these weights will be available to buy on Ebay as from Thursday or Friday unless we get some reasonable offers before Thursday. They are both definatley Ysart all canes have now been identified as Pauls canes. The signed one will be a real good buy for a collector of Paul ysart paperweights 

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Re: Paul ysart paperweights
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2009, 08:00:17 PM »
Yes I had heard that too, probably same source.

The weight would also be of interest to Caithness collectors as few Caithness weights were made by Paul and with that signature it makes sense.

I would appreciate some hi-resolution images on a light neutral background for Scotland's Glass web-site please, various angles and details please. Use e-mail icon on left.

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Re: Paul ysart paperweights
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2009, 08:12:15 PM »
Frank i will send you and Kevh some hi res pictures before they leave my possesion

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Re: Paul ysart paperweights
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2009, 08:14:46 PM »
Thanks :-)

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2009, 12:46:08 AM »
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I have found out Paul ysart actualy started work at Caithness in May of 1962 as it says in the English paperweight book as a consultant initialy.
Could you please give details of which "English paperweight book" this is, and page number of the reference would be good, too.

It would also be useful to check the weight with a UV light - a regular longwave (blacklight") will do. If the clear glass shows as a definite green colour, then I'd query it being made at Caithness, Wick.

[Unfortunately, due to a bad dose of throat and catarrh problems, I have not been able to concentrate on much recently, so I have not made much progress in any investigations.]
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Re: Paul ysart paperweights
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2009, 11:19:23 PM »
In the book PAPERWEIGHTS OF GREAT BRITAIN 1930-2000 BY John Simmonds
Page 15 chapter 2 it says Paul Ysart joined Caithness glass co ltd Wick in May 1962 as personel officer. But paperweight remained formost in his mind.
He was contracted to produce 288 paperweights per month but the actual amount is unknown
Gary

The Ysart paperweights are pictured between a couple of wedgwood paperweights to show the difference in colour   

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