Topic: Irridescent Kralik or English?

[keith]

I'd stick with Kralik,the flat cut top,pearl iridescence all say Kralik to me,
                                                                                   Keith.

[Andy]

Well, interesting, Alfredo and Craig think English, so im forced to sit on the fence with this one 

Anyone else take the English side ? 

(oh no , im beginning to sound like someone else  :24: :pb: )

[keith]

Craig and Alfredo know their stuff and I'm quite new to this type of glass but it has that 'Kralik feel',as much as I like S&W and other 'local' glass I'm going to stick with Kralik or a nearby maker,watch me get shot down!
                                                                                    Keith.

[Lustrousstone]

Harrach? They seemed to like these folded up leaves

[Andy]

Craig and Alfredo know their stuff

Thats what i was thinking Keith 
Thanks Christine , another possibility, id like Mike or Bernard to have a look on the English perspective .
Andy
 

[obscurities]

Hi Keith, I will not be so rude as to "shoot you down".   :thup:

The comment that I would make regarding the piece is that although the piece has some light ribbing, applied leaves, and is mold blown and ground on the lip,  reminiscent of some Kralik work (and also many others including English)....  the primary thing that leads me in a different direction is the use of graduated opalescence in the body of the vase. They also did leaves, just not quite this folded, at least that I have seen. Typically, the Kralik work using opalescence in the piece will have a pretty consistent opalescence throughout the body of the vessel. That is not to say that it is always a real milky opalescence, just that the color is consistent. I have an early vase in my collection which is by them, and it has a light opalescent body similar to the upper portion of this piece, but it is basically the same at the top and bottom of the body. I can not think of having seen a Kralik piece with this type of graduation. My guess is that would also be what Alfredo sees in the piece.

Lastly I would say that almost all of the work on identifying Kralik (and others) is based on empirical study since no accessible  records exist for the company. Marcus did point out that here is material sealed in archives by the Czech Republic and will not be accessible until around 2090.  As a result of the empirical study, the discovery of a single piece of marked or identifiable glass could change many of the currently accepted concepts regarding Kralik.

Personally, I am sticking with possibly English for this piece......  but I would not rule out another Bohemian company either....  Just not Loetz, Kralik Pallme-Koenig or Rindskopf.....

Craig

[Andy]

Thanks Craig,
i will put a note in my diary to bump it up again in 2090
Im not sure of the graduated opalescence ? It may appear a bit less where the glass is blown to its widest,
also the irridescent coating seems to be less where the glass is more stretched.
A couple of photos, without flash,
Andy
 :thup:

[keith]

See what you mean Craig,although there are similarities there are also differences,Christine mentioned Harrach they did similar stuff but then again there are  'themes' to Harrach that you find in UK glass,bit of a puzzle this one,if only it had a signature but that would be to easy,
                                                                                                                                                            Keith.

[obscurities]

Keith,
It is my understanding that there are some of those similarities between Czech glass and English glass due to the migration of workers between factories and countries.... Just as there are similarities between some early English and American glass like S&W and Steuben, due to worker (designer) migration (Carder, and others).

If it was all signed we would not all be friends, as there would be no need for this board..... and we would likely be doing something far less fun!!

Craig

[KevinH]

If it was all signed we would not all be friends, as there would be no need for this board..... and we would likely be doing something far less fun!!

The Board would still be full of fascinating discussion. We would surely all be comparing our wonderful, correctly attributed items, but also asking about such things as date of manufacture, uniqueness of methods used, colour ranges, variations on the themes, etc. etc. etc. In fact, ID is only one part of the function of the Board - even if it has currently developed into the most widely used aspect.