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how on earth do i even begin to value these????? anybody have any ideas?
thanks michelle

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very well done to both of you...fantastic result, you are both very clever ;D i would go as far as diamond encrusted gold stars each ;D.
Art & paintings are not my thing so had never even heard of Hermes before
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Re: dartington sharon wine glasses BUT etched signed and numbered any ideas??
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2009, 09:10:31 PM »
This is fascinating, congratulations on spotting them and finding this out. Hermes isn't a name I know at all, which means nothing, but that explains perfectly why they were made and what for. Another little, but vital, fact that would probably have otherwise slipped into the mists of time to be forgotten. As to their value.....well, that's anyone's guess. Have you tried the Art Sales Index to see what the rest of her work goes for? If there's a sizeable following, then they could be desirable, especially if there are more than 2,500 people who want to own an example of her work. Or even, more than 416 people who want to own her work AND like giving dinner parties...
Whatever, cut/etched/engraved Dartington Sharon glasses are very rare!
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Re: dartington sharon wine glasses BUT etched signed and numbered any ideas??
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2009, 01:37:54 PM »
Many thanks Mark, im still struggling to find much information on Hermes, ive found 7 pieces of her work which have sold all between $500 and $10,000 (us dollars) which i found through the art sales index between 1989 and 2003  The works sold are drawings and sculptures.
http://artsalesindex.artinfo.com/artsalesindex/asi/searchresults
 I think my next step would be to contact an auction house with a specialist glass sale??, although this crosses over with sculpture and i wouldnt imagine many collectors of Hermes would be checking the glass sections.... ohh im all a dither of what to do :chky:

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Re: dartington sharon wine glasses BUT etched signed and numbered any ideas??
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2009, 01:42:45 PM »
Thinking fairly (so providing three alternatives) UK auction house wise, I could personally recommend:
Will Farmer at Fielding's
Michael Jeffrey at Woolley & Wallis
and Simon Cottle at Bonhams in London.
You may also want to try exemplary dealers Nigel Benson (on this board) and Jeanette Hayhurst as starters, but there are many many others. Why not come along to the Cambridge Glass Fair or the National Glass Fair where you'll meet more than you can shake a blowing iron at!
Sorry if I've missed anyone off  :-\
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Re: dartington sharon wine glasses BUT etched signed and numbered any ideas??
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2009, 01:47:55 PM »
Hi Mark, ive missed the last 2 fairs due to work but i will be coming to this one :hiclp:, funnily enough i have just spoken to Bonhams, they put me through to the Bury office i will be taking them to a valuation morning they hold at cambridge this wed.
I will make sure to bring them with me for closer inspection at the glass fair.
many thanks again
michelle

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Re: dartington sharon wine glasses BUT etched signed and numbered any ideas??
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2009, 03:26:58 PM »
Michelle contacted me for help/comment, and this was my reply, with some minor changes made on re-reading:

Hello Michelle,

I read this thread when it first started and noted Adam's one word answer at the time. Often the less said the more it means I find!!

I my experience valuing glass by people who are usually artists is always difficult, but I'm afraid I feel strongly that Mark is wrong to suggest you use the Art Sales Index (sorry Mark). It talks about the work sold by artists as paintings, or sculpture and is therefore definitely only a means of finding an upper estimate for a piece of glass - possibly. It is used to compare like with like, so for instance, a picture of a given size and of a given topic will compare similar in price to one that has similar dimensions and subject matter - but not if either is different. Also the price may change according to when, or where, an item is sold. Yet all are what the artist might be recognised and collected for.

Essentually you should be comparing like with like, or at least similar with similar, since the markets for art are usually considerably different to those of glass in my experience I would say that although it may help, it is only a very rough estimate for our purposes.

Glass therefore becomes an academic 'add on' to their work - especially if it is sold as something to help promote an exhibition or show. This seems to apply however aesthetically pleasing an item might be.

Just as estate agents compare similar houses in a given area to gain a reasonable estimate of what another house might be worth, so you will need to do with these glasses. When it goes outside those parameters experience kicks in, and becomes highly relevant.

Do not assume that they are worth what a picture by Hermes is. There is precedent for this proposition with, for instance, the work of John Hutton, even though many of his vases are individual items - and he is a glass artist/engraver, but on a large scale, such as Coventry Cathedral. Certainly, it is also true of the work of the artists who designed for pieces by Stuarts at the seminal exhibition held at Harrods in 1934.

The long and short of it is that providing you make a fair profit, then don't worry if you don't get every penny it 'could' be worth. There's an old saying in the antique business "always leave a profit".

Nigel

PS. Silly me!! Of course I would be very interested to see them in the flesh at Cambridge, so do pop by the stand Michelle. Kind wishes, N.

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Re: dartington sharon wine glasses BUT etched signed and numbered any ideas??
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2009, 03:40:33 PM »
Just thought of a very good example to illustrate my point.

A Picasso picture, or engraving, is definately worth more than any of his glass designs (or pottery designs for that matter), by a large proportion :o ;)

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