Topic: Early Scottish Ysart or Baccarat ? Urgent help needed

[YankyGlass]

This looks a real good buy but unsure of origin looks like a simple Bacarat?

Ebay item number 130327603339

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-paperweight-very-RARE-ROOSTER-design_W0QQitemZ130327603339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Art_Glass?hash=item1e5821688b&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177

Would like to buy it because of the rooster design as i collect paperweights and rooster related objects for my ranch in Texas this would fit in great, but would like expert help.

Ends today so any advice would help

[Rocksmom]

Could it be Itallian?  I'd want to know what the bottom looks like.

[tropdevin]

Hi

I am fairly certain this is Scottish, not Paul Ysart but probably his father Salvador. It is not antique French. And the price is, well, ambitious in my view.

Alan

[KevinH]

I would like to buy it because of the canes in the garland - and also to be able to check it under uv light.

The canes are definitely early Ysart, often seen in what are believed to be first period Vasart items. What I could see of the base finish ties in (at least partly) with other known weights. But old Ysart canes have been used in later Vasart and Strathearn well into the 1980s, and one reference book shows that some early Ysart canes also made their way, with legitimate reason, into at least one other glassworks.

I agree with Alan that the starting bid was "ambitious". If it gets relisted with a start price of around 1/10 the amount, I might be tempted to make a serious bid.

[Frank]

Nice find.

The 'other' glassworks with Ysart canes was Perthshire Paperweights, several boxes - but not officially used as far as is known.

[KevinH]

I said:

... and one reference book shows that some early Ysart canes also made their way, with legitimate reason, into at least one other glassworks.

Frank said:

The 'other' glassworks with Ysart canes was Perthshire Paperweights

My comment related to Bob Hall's book Old English Paperweights, Chapter 10 Stevens and Williams. In that chapter, there is reference to "a cupful of millefiori canes" held in the Brierly Hill Glassworks museum and comment that parts of those canes have been matched to the set of Ysart [Salvador] canes illustrated in the book Ysart Glass. Page 127 of Bob's book shows a selection of thirty three of those Brierly Hill Glassworks museum canes. I don't know if they are from, or are, the cupful, but I am sure that the majority are actually full, complete early Ysart canes. This fits with other comments in the book including the point that "several workers came from Scotland to learn glass making techniques in the 1960s and '70s".

There could, therefore, be some frigger weights made at Royal Brierly Crystal which have early Ysart canes but encased in glass that perhaps fluoresces differently from the known Scottish ones with Ysart canes.