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Ivo:
I seem to remember that it was me a while back who advised Forest that his somber dark blue solid colour and shape were specific for Zwiesel in the sixties, and I don't see a similarity with the Chinese clear cased cobalt blue one - other than the shape...

Anonymous:
Some links to Chinese/Oriental modern art glass manufacturers selling online

http://hotproducts.alibaba.com/manufacturers-exporters/Glass_Vases.html

http://www.chinasuppliers.globalsources.com/cn-suppliers/Art-Glass-Vase.htm

Note Dalian as being one of the biggest manufacturers of art glass – it would seem from the link below, if I have my sources right that they have a finger in many a pie

http://www.cbw.com/business/usco-ne/dalian.html

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---Opinions please as to whether it is sufficiently similar to warn the webmaster of this site
http://ginforsodditiques.com/zwiesel.html
--- End quote ---


I think that Chinese companies have directly copied other forms, and still are that it may be a bit rash to report to the webmaster - I know the guys that run this site and they have helped me a lot with my WG Pottery, they really good researchers and I can't see them purposefully trying to sell a copy

I have learned from the Dalian / Nason copies that the Chinese are capable of just lifting whole design ranges from companies especially if the design copyright has run out as it has on so much retro glass - like with the Dalian / Nason copies (see Murano thread), I think Ginfors' is a darker glass of better quality as Ivo indicates - ultimate proof would be seeing the base of the Chinese vase as Ginfors shows us theirs very clearly

I do think that some modern Chinese art glass is of good quality and design for the price asked as Ivo has pointed out, but there is also a lot of plagiarism

paradisetrader:
Thank you Annes, Ivo & guest.
Your comments noted and no action taken.
I do know that Forrest Poston takes all reasonable measures to identify his items accurately and did not mean to infer any complicity on his part.

I finally managed to replace the rather fuzzy pic of the Chinese one (Java hitch) with this  taken head on
plus added comments.
Sorry for making you squint Anne.

Thank you for the links, guest. ...very interesting.

Copying
Proving that a certain design is copied from another must be a nightmare not to mention the cost of defending registered designs. I did not know that there was such a thing as a design copyright. How does it work ? Which body does the registration ?
I have worded this topic a little more sensitively on the site...erring on the side of benefit-of-doubt.
It's instructive to remember that in the glass world generally where copiers went on to develop and improve upon a design or design concept we talk of "influences".
Here there are small differences in shape plus obviously the casing, which is why I asked the question. However I do find the similarity of shape suspicious, yet there would need to be more similarities than shape alone to be considered a copy I guess.

The color is difficult to compare beause of different lighting conditions and different color of background, but yes I agree that from the photos they do NOT seem to be the same shade.

The quality of the glass does seem different although I don't feel able to judge which is better by sight alone. Ivo does not comment on quality at all.

Anonymous:
Designs of any sort can be copyrighted – it usually lasts for a period of 25 years so many of 1970s designs can actually be outright copies if the modern company is capable of it (which it usually isn't). I have been at the sharp end of this as a designer myself when I had to take a company to court for breaking copyright on a surface pattern design I did

Here is a link (it is to a company that explains the copyright law and is in no way meant to advertise that particular company)

I am less sure about the renewal of design copyright; I think it is in the link below in one of the long legal documents

http://www.jenkins-ip.com/patlaw/introdes.htm

This is of course UK design law; I forget it may differ in other countries

I agree that companies or individual glass makers can often be seen as being influenced rather than copying older glass - they still have to watch if it's within the 25 year limit though, I am sure modern Daum or Lalique would be quick to act on the closest similarity to one of there exclusive items

With retro glass on a high at the moment more companies in Poland and China are being tempted to create items with the very strong influence of Whitefriars, Riihimaen or Holmegaard. I think sometimes they copy outright if there is a market, the item in question could be a case in point

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