Topic: Possibly antique olive green glass decanter with prunts

[stew2u2]

i have a pcture in front of me of german waldglas looks very similar.
stew

[Kevin B]

Stew,
Check it out here, with frills on the neck instead of a ring with prunts. 
http://www.museum.bristolblueglass.com/decanter-tray-set-and-roemer-style-glasses-ca-1900/
I have asked Bristol Glass Museum and they said that Fieldings and Bonhams have said it's Whitefriars.  I have a couple of hundred decanters and the build quality definately fits English late Victorian to Edwardian, but I am not so certain it is Whitefriars.  I have both the Lesley Jackson and Museum of London Whitefriars books, and it's not in them. 

Thanks Kevin

[Lustrousstone]

I would take B&M auction attributions with a pinch salt (and the Bristol Glass museum website can't spell Whitefriars). And I don't think it's waldglass: too dark in colour.

[angel2]

 :angel: :angel:

It's SURELY earlier than 1900? 

a2

[Anne]

Kevin, I'm still not convinced it's English, gorgeous though it is. Have you checked Stephan Buse's amazing site here: http://www.roemer-aus-theresienthal.de/ which has similar pieces? Stephan is a member of the board http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4046 so it'd be worth asking him to take a look at your decanter.

I'll tweak the topic heading too to see if that helps attract other opinions.

[kmax70]

Hi folks

I am absolutely amazed that this decanter has provoked so much interest.   I first posted in February last year, and had almost forgotten about it.  The said decantert is now sitting in my collection looking very smug at the amount of comment it has produced.   Thanks to all for your help, and please do tweak the title.  I would love to get a definite id. on this.  KM.

[nigel benson]

Most certainly not British.

German, German, German   Oh, c1890.

Why on earth do folks set so much store by auction houses. More, why on earth would a museum take an auction house attribution without having done their own work? Makes me worry about that museum frankly.

You will find many other auction house attributions as being Whitefrairs/Powell, including Christies - that doesn't make them right, just uninformed. EDIT: After all glass has always been the poor relation, with little true appreciation in the auction world; mainly because you have to work at an attribution 'cos there's no handy backstamp on much glass  

Nigel

[Kevin B]

I totally doubted the Bristol Blue Glass Museum, particularly as they split White Friars into 2 words, and as I have had such great bargains out of auction houses when they don't recognise stuff I wouldn't believe them either.  That's why I was punting around until I found this bottle.  Why I think it's English:- The colour is an exact match for a jug I have that looks like it is straight out of the family of jugs on page 99 of the Jackson Whitefriars book. I have a lot of Edwardian decanters (including known English ones, Whitefriars, Stevens & Williams, Dresser, Webb) and the quality and shape of the stopper peg is just like those.  I have a venetian claret jug with a prunt on the stopper, and the way the stopper is made is so different.  I don't have any German decanters (or I don't think I do) so am not sure if they cut their stoppers the same way as the English makers.

The colour doesn't match any of my Whitefriars of the same period.  I ploughed through that Theresienthal website and the colour looks too dark compared to the similar stuff that is there.

I think the biggest clue to origin must be on the Bristol Blue Glass website, as their decanter is obivously by the same maker, and more than that, it is a decanter set with 6 glasses and a glass tray.  So the big question must be; who makes decanters sets on a glass try?

kamx70, I am so pleased I don't have your decanter.

Kind Regards
Kevin 

[stew2u2]

i really dont know much about glass but i see what i see . it has the same spun glass base the punts look the same and colour looks very close
http://www.glaswolf.de/uploads/tx_extendedshop/r123.jpg

[nigel benson]

Kevin,

I notice that nobody has welcomed you to the GMB, so I guess since I've answered your question as to origin, I should have done so. It's good that you've dropped in.

The Bristol Museum is most certainly not the place to start, however it's good to see that at least one other person on the GMB has got the idea and given you a good link. Thank you Stew :thup:

Please forget trying to link to a UK company or maker, and do some research into German glass of the turn of last century. BTW, the Germans made sets of glass with glass trays, used this colour, the trailing around the foot, and prunts.

Nigel