cheers guys, comparing to the whitefriars site can sometimes be quite difficult i find, there willow looks much lighter than my vase, but then saying that if you compare from the top of mine where its colour is lightest, i would say yes your right Nic.
Size does seem to be spot on for the 9655 to whitefriars.com list it as 7? but reading a few "is it whitefriars" they list it as 7.75
And Paul ive known quite a few "total ignoramus" ('s) in my time and i can saftly say you far from one

cheers again
michelle