Topic: not salvador ysart but ysart brothers or VASART ?!

[casalibre]

what is this item on  ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220638646204&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:DE:1123
any commends please.

[KevinH]

Why do you think it was not (possibly) made by Salvador Ysart?

[casalibre]

In my mind the canes do not look like salvadore ysarts,
but they lock more like Vasart Ltd. [1956 to 1964]
or perhaps Ysart Brothers (Vasart) [1946-1956].
They do not look like Strathearn (1965 to 1980).
Thanks for so much help!
Helene

[Derek]

Hi Helene

Moncrieffs, Ysart Brothers, Vasart and Strathearn are all VERY closely interlinked

Its odds on that canes made at Moncrieffs would have gone with Salvador and his brothers
when the left to set up Ysart Brothers as did colour bar and Adventurine.

Vasart was Ysart Brother refinanced by George Dunlop - site remained the same.

Strathearn was Vasart refinanced by Teachers - and all the equipment was moved from
the Vasart works in Perth to the new Strathearn factory in Crieff 1963/4.

So canes made at Moncrieff could have easily ended up in a Strathearn weight

Best regards

Derek

[KevinH]

Thanks, Helene, for explaining your reasoning.

Derek has covered the basic point about canes possibly being made in one period but still being used in later periods. I know, also, that some of the so-called "Salvador canes" (see the various literature) can be found in some of Paul Ysart's work likely to have been made after Salvador and the other sons went off and formed the "Ysart Brothers" company. So it's even more complex than the basic "Ysart Brothers - Vasart Ltd - Strathearn" chain of events.

If the overall evidence of a piece points to it having been possibly made at the Ysart Brothers company, then there is just as much chance that Salvador made it (or finished it) than anyone else. It might be true that, at that company, items with certain canes were only ever made by Salvador, but that does not also imply that Salvador did not make items with "ordinary" canes.

The only way I know to be sure that a particluar item was not made by Salvador Ysart is with a Shortwave UV test. After Salvadaor died, and Vsart Ltd was formed, the glass batch changed and this can be picked up with the UV test.