Topic: Mid 19th century opaline vase with ruffled rim & blue pineapple knop?

[thewingedsphinx]

Found in the UK. Yes agree the rims are different from the sawtooth version.

[flying free]

 I really have no idea about these but (as perhaps Ivo was alluding to?) my first thoughts for searching would have been Baccarat or Saint-Louis.
The decor is I think referred to as 'Ananas'?

Pressglas-Korrespondenz has some information here but nothing exactly the same:

https://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2013-3w-vogt-bacc-louis-opalin-vasen.pdf

There may be more information on Pressglas-Korrespondenz but that was the first I found.

The rim is a bit strange -  I'd normally expect to see a flat rim maybe?  but to be honest my knowledge is fleeting and very limited.

m

[thewingedsphinx]

Thanks for the link m, funnily enough the Boston Sandwich book does show and mention many similarities between sandwich and Baccarat items. It shows John’s and my version along side the sawtooth version which has a slightly different rim so it wouldn’t be a surprise if both made extremely similar items.

[flying free]

It reminded me of Ekimp's vase for some reason:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,72597.msg403894.html#msg403894

Reference here to a Saint-Louis perfume bottle with bubbles but does have a wavy rim:
https://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2005-2w-mannoni-opalines.pdf

See seite 131 for yellow bottle.

Wavy rims were in use as I have two Pate de Riz cake stands mid 19th,blown glass, with an applied trailed pink wavy rim and also had a small salt in white pate de riz with an applied pink wavy rim.  I just don't think of them on these pressed vases I suppose.

m

[flying free]

More examples here - one in blue with wavy rim - perfume I think Seite 7
https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2007-2w-sg-louis-dose-ananas.pdf

[glassobsessed]

Mike kindly sent me a photo from the Boston & Sandwich book showing the both the Sawtooth and 'Ananas' vases, the text was interesting too stating that some of the Sawtooth vases had no hole between the centre and the trumpet as they could be "plugged with an excess of glass from the trumpet". I have not seen anything like that with the two Ananas vases, how open is yours Mike?

Quite what relevance this may have is moot but I think that on the Ananas vases the upper and lower rows of bobbles are applied rather than moulded like the rest, some have irregular shape and positioning. They might help disguise the join a bit too, from photos the sawtooth pattern looks entirely moulded, it would be nice to have one to compare in the flesh!

[thewingedsphinx]

Yes mine is open so you could almost place a pencil inside which would go down to the bottom of the white part which I wasn’t even expecting. So the top part is like a tube. Is that the same as yours. Mine is also Uranium.

[thewingedsphinx]

Here is a glow and normal picture with a Baccarat vase seen in the previous link https://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2013-3w-vogt-bacc-louis-opalin-vasen.pdf

[flying free]

on the balance of likelihood, I think it very unlikely that three mid 19th century American opaline vases would turn up here.  It's far more likely they are French, at least until proven otherwise, so I'd be searching there first.

I also think it's unlikely the upper and lower bobbles were hand applied. Could it be a function of the mold shape making them more squashed/misshapen perhaps?

Obviously these are just my thoughts and point of view.  I have zero technical expertise to base those thoughts on

m

[glassobsessed]

I tend to agree (knowing nothing about American glass exports of the day) a reasonable working assumption. Your thoughts very welcome.

Those bobble variations could well be something to do with reheating when the sections were joined.