thanks paul, my problem is I lack the knowledge and over the past several years I have only used Ebay as a reference point, and am finding now that all this glass i have purchased in the past is not what i thought it was :pb:, and rather than making myself sound more stupid than i am, i would prefer not to comment for that reason

and since finding the GMB 2 weeks ago i see that the peoples knowledge here is far superior to anything I have ever seen on ebay with all those false attributions, but i suppose there is one good thing about this, iam learning, allbeit very slowly and maybe the hard an expensive way, i think what i need is books, books and more books, if i carry on the way i have been over the past years then i will soon become a :or: :or: glass expert at this rate, lol, many thanks for putting me right, I do appreciate all comments whether good or bad, Many many thanks Robert.