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Identifying Webb & Whitefriars Wave-ribbed glass?
David E:
A little piece of information that might help anyone trying to distinguish between Webb & Whitefriar (WF) Wave-ribbed glass.
Looking from the top, Webb always gives a square appearance, while WF gives a hexagonal look. Entirely due to the style of moulds used by the respective companies:
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Top: Whitefriars in Meadow Green
Bottom: Webb's in Amber Sunshine (left) and Blue
Although Webb glass is commonly acid-etched on the base, this is not always the case, and due to the similarities between the two effects, this discovery might just help identification but I really don't have enough WF wave-ribbed to confirm this positively, so if anyone else can help it would be appreciated.
vidrioguapo:
An interesting observation although I don't have a Webb version to compare as you do. Just a small technical point, your Whitefriars green will be Sea Green . I think this shape was phased out in 1969 and Meadow Green did not come in until 1972. If anyone is interested it is Pat. No: 8473 in the catalogues.(whoops, wrong shape, see amendment below)
David E:
Emmi, thanks for giving me the correct colour and pattern :)
It would appear that any Webb wave-ribbed does have this 4-sided effect. The only exception is some tiny tumblers and bowls I have (all clear glass, c.1940) but I think these are a different pattern anyway – similar to WF diamond-moulded (Whitefriars Glass, p113) but not as pronounced.
Looking at the same book, p115 & p123, it would seem that all WF wave-ribbed glass would give the illusion of being 6-sided when viewed from the top.
Following is a profile of the same three vases...
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Bernard C:
--- Quote from: "DenCill" ---Looking from the top, Webb always gives a square appearance, while WF gives a hexagonal look. Entirely due to the style of moulds used by the respective companies ...
Although Webb glass is commonly acid-etched on the base, this is not always the case, and due to the similarities between the two effects, this discovery might just help identification but I really don't have enough WF wave-ribbed to confirm this positively, so if anyone else can help it would be appreciated.
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David — A very useful observation, and, for your statistics, I will throw in another acid-badged Webb wave-ribbed piece with a pattern count of four — a small (4") footed trumpet vase in golden-amber that glows madly under my blacklight tester. I had not noticed this particular distinction between Webb and WF wave-ribbed before, probably because I can't recall having one of each at the same time.
As you say yourself, your "always" is probably rather over the top. You can sometimes find exceptions to these general observations. For example, Walsh Vesta Venetian is always 18-rib, ... until you find a 16-rib example, and Walsh never used their 18-rib mould for anything else, ... until you find an 18-rib Iridescent bowl. One scenario worth considering is that one master glassblower always used his favourite mould, with a second mould only being brought in for another glassblower to use if they had a rush order.
... and welcome to a very small band of pattern repeat counters.
Bernard C. 8)
vidrioguapo:
Ignore the pattern number I gave above, I assumed(and didn't possibly look closely enough) that they were the tumbler shaped waved vases.
But the colour info is OK
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