Topic: Repro or Fake (split from Re: Light weight trailed vase.)

[WhatHo!]

What Ho! Look at this bunch of Master Fakers, they make the bricklayer fakers look like saints!!!! I really don't like this, if they have to make these exact copies they should at least mark the bases with a date or something.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=cs&u=http://www.lesnisklo.cz/&ei=tqCdTMLNGoqQjAeOg5m8DQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DLESNI%2BSKLO%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1424%26bih%3D729

[Ivo]

i strongly object to the term "fakers". These are replica of ancient Waldglas models, they require extensive glassmaking skills, have valid outlets in museum shops and nobody is trying to sell anything that it isn't.

[WhatHo!]

i strongly object to the term "fakers". These are replica of ancient Waldglas models, they require extensive glassmaking skills, have valid outlets in museum shops and nobody is trying to sell anything that it isn't.

Well I don't agree with Ivo. You may strongly object to the word "fakers" but I strongly object to "Fakers", however extensive their glassmaking skills are. They may have valid outlets etc but what happens to them after they leave these places? If they are unmarked they can be resold to the unwary as genuine, Im afraid that human nature for you. I have been dealing with Whitefriars fakes for ages, you get this same argument with them and it doesn't hold any substance with me, I'm afraid.

[Ivo]

NOBODY would mistake this for 17th century Waldglas.

[WhatHo!]

Nobody would mistake this for 17th century Waldglas with your level of knowledge I agree but there are a lot of others, like me who wouldn't have a clue that it is not original or in fact what it is at all.

[oldglassman]

HI , I am afraid i have to agree with Ivo ,
 if any of these replicas  were later offered as the real thing ,at a 'Real' thing price which would be very high indeed they would only attract buyers with the knowledge to know the difference ,and once seen in the hand it would be imediately obvious that it was a repro,and i must say that if any buyer does not have the personal knowledge to appraise what they are buying then they should take advice from someone who does ,

And for even more wonderfull replicas including engraved glass , look here ,
 http://www.bohemian-glassworks.com/gallery/historic.html,
very expensive pieces in thier own right but would still not fool an experienced buyer of ancient glass once seen in the hand .

Cheers ,
             Peter.

[Jindra8526]

Just to say, I am with Ivo. Thank yoz for link, Peter

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo

[Anne]

I've split this off from the original ID query, as it's a separate discussion.

[Lustrousstone]

It's not the manufacturers where the problem lies; it's the secondary market sellers. I suppose the Whitefriars' items, such as Harry Powell's copy of the Anglo Saxon claw beaker, as just one example of his reproductions, is OK...

Reproduction goes on in all industries and has for 100s of years and many of them are unmarked. It's only when an item is sold with intent to deceive that there is a problem.

[TxSilver]

I understand what WhatHo is saying. While it may be easy to distinguish the old Waldglas from the newer reproductions, some reproductions can be almost impossible to distinguish from the originals unless someone is highly skilled. In Venetian glass, it has some unintended consequences. Because they are unsure, people tend to be shy of the old pieces. The old pieces don't sell as quickly and the values are generally lower. Signatures on the new pieces would be nice.