Topic: Intaglio cut tumbler with a Marigold?

[Leni]

Pretty little intaglio cut tumbler, just 4 inches (10cm) tall.  Swags of flowers and leaves, and a shield on the front with a flower in it which looks as if it might be a Marigold - a friend suggested it might represent someone's name. 

It doesn't 'feel' as if it's very old.  It isn't very thin glass, being quite a bit heavier than most of my Victorian and Edwardian pieces.  The engraving looks a bit like some I've seen on Webb pieces, but there's no mark.  The base is concave, as if a pontil mark had been ground out before the base was cut, but the striations in the glass around the outside of the base look as if the blank was probably mould-blown.   At some time in its life someone has had a small chip removed from the rim, so it was obviously considered worth repairing.

Anyone recognise the pattern or the style?  Suggestions as to age, maker, cutter, would be appreciated.  Thanks 

[Leni]

a shield on the front with a flower in it which looks as if it might be a Marigold - a friend suggested it might represent someone's name.

Looking again, of course the flower could equally well be a Daisy .... and the same suggestion would apply! 

[Leni]

Oh, come one, somebody must have something to say, surely!  

(And don't call me Shirley )

[glassobsessed]

I can't add any info Leni, lovely as it is it's not the kind of thing I collect.

It looks like good quality, what about the way the base is cut? That looks fairly distinctive (to me).

John

[Leni]

Thank you, John.  I was beginning to think I'd been sent to Coventry!   :24:

The base is unusual, as it's really quite concave, and the cutting is clearly done to cover a ground out pontil mark.  I can't help feeling it's a bit ... erm ... basic?   Although the cutting on the rest of the glass is very nicely done, I can't work out if this is 'old' or a more recent production  :huh:

[chopin-liszt]

I'm wondering, politely, if Peter - oldglassman - might be able to venture a comment with regard to it's age - I can't help thinking it might be older than it looks - something to do with the incongruity between a certain "crudeness" about the glass itself and the sophistication of the cutting - and of course the repair.
Strange again that there's the repair - but no addition of a monogram or shield or some such "doofer" in the cartouche.

[claretjugcollector]

hmm - nice piece - it doesn´t look very old to me - it seems to be rather thick glass - my guess would be american.. not quite sure ! :spls:

[tate9852]

Hi there, I was trying to ID the glass as well. The cutting is very similar to a glass German stein I had a while ago. I thought they were sunflowers, but could be wrong. Test the glass under a blacklight, if it turns green it is a good indicator that it is American. It would not be a minty green, but an apple green. If it just turns bluish it is most likely 20th Century. I have also found that 18th & 19th C. English-Irish glass turns lighter green, such as minty green. Blacklight testing is not 100% by any means, but it is a good test if your stumped. I have also found that German glass has a yellow tint when exposed to natural sunlight on a bright day. It is also typical of German glass to have a thick heavy base to compensate for the lightness of the composition of the glass itself. I checked in a few of my books about it being American, but found no match. Although, I just scratched the surface really. The cutting looks like it could be American, but the base is not as typical. Usually American glasses have a star cut base, yours has a sort of flower cut base. So, all that being said, I might be totally wrong, but thought it might help.

PS~I was able to find a similar cutting on Sinclaire Glass pieces and Tuthill pieces, just not with that shield motif.

[Leni]

Thank you, friends   

I will try the black-light test - I admit it hadn't occurred to me to try!  :spls:  I agree the cutting doesn't look 100% 'English' although I can't put my finger on why, exactly.  I think perhaps that shield shape is one thing, and the curly leaves are another.  Does anyone else think they look a bit 'Bohemian'?     I'll also have a look at some American cutting - thanks for the tip   

[claretjugcollector]

bohemina would have been my second guess .. maybe an bohemian engraver who went to America  :ru: