Topic: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's

[rosieposie]

Maybe if Nigel is about he could have a look at this for me???  It is an amazing piece of engraving.   :X:

[chopin-liszt]

Did you see an engraver being named as Lorraine Keith too?  :X: for your bit here!

[rosieposie]

Yes, Sue,  I did.... :X: :X:

[nigel benson]

Firstly, I read the mark on this thread as TK.

Secondly, this piece is engraved.

Thirdly, the LK for Lorraine Keith in the other thread is for sandblasting.

I think you'll find the two techniques are NOT interchangable. Complimentary - yes. Can be used together - yes. But let's not rush to conclusions that just starts a Chinese whisper, from an unsubstantiated idea.

Above the letters have been said to be possibly TK or LT - where did LK come from?

I'm afraid I'm getting very out of salts with the way things are interpreted on these boards.

Nigel

[rosieposie]

Hello Nigel,

Thank you so much for looking in on this thread.

I have put the photos on to show the initials as clearly as possible.

I don't know the first thing about engraved or sandblasted glass work, I collect glass animals and birds.
 
I bought this on a whim for 99p because I was in awe at the amount of work in it.

My  :X: was not because I thought it was Lorraine Keith, but because I hoped you might see the thread and as an expert on engraved glass you might have some idea who did it.

There was never any intention to assume that the initials were Lorraines, I see them as L.I.T.K.

Please don't be cross with me,  I am still very much a novice at glass identification, hence my asking for help.
Rosie.

[nigel benson]

Forgive my teachiness.

I have noticed that hope seems to take precidence over analysis more and more on these boards and I find it frustrating. Perhaps this thread was not the place to make the point.

I do not profess to be an expert on engraving, or sandblasting for that matter. I do try to extend my knowledge by buying things and living with them to learn. Constantly picking them up and looking at the detail and looking at them in different light(s), etc. However, I also have to do a bit of reading to back up the thoughts and judgements that I make from time to time. I like to encourage analysis, rather than give folks the information. That way people should, I hope, learn more and have greater understanding.

You rightly say that your piece is engraved. I said in the other thread that the piece (Caithness) in question was sandblasted.

Sandblasting is the creation of an image through the controlled use of jets of sand, more often than not using a template, or resist, to stop the erosion of the surface where it should not happen. Sometimes several templates (registers) are used to create the desired effect, depth, and/or definition.

Engraving is the use of copper wheels to create an image from scratch - well from preliminary drawings which are then sketched onto the glass before work of cutting begins.

As for your piece - Well, what a whim! You can buy for me if you can get this sort of quality for 99p  :thup:

Nigel

[flying free]

Rosie I can't help and I only own one engraved piece which is a very tiny shot glass, I think Russian - but I do also have a fabulous (imho) book by Peter Dreiser and Jonathan Matcham called The Techniques of Glass Engraving.  Each time a piece of engraved glass comes up I have another look through the book and the amazing pieces.  It's a really wonderful book so if you come across it it's worth a purchase if you are interested in engraved glass.
m

[rosieposie]

Thank you Nigel and m, I was actually buying an Art Glass Angel from the person, and the inevitable peek at other pieces found the engraved optic lens.  It's start price was 99p, and no-one else bid for it, so as I had won the Angel, a lovely stylised white and clear Lasistudio Viasetti piece, made in Finland for a lot less than my original bid, I decided to go for the Engraving as well.  On reflection, I think the engraving is probably worth more than the Angel, but whatever the value, I like the engraving for the sheer depth and quality of the work.

I will look out for that book m, and probably buy it to 'have in'!

[chopin-liszt]

I need to apologise as well, Nigel, I should have paid more attention - I'm quite aware I got stuck with the initials LK because I automatically thought "Lorraine Kelly", who has nothing to do with glass, but it made the initials stick. I should have known the difference between engraved and blasted. :pb:

But I am a little bit curious as to why a sandblaster would have their initials on a piece - I'd have thought all somebody needed was the stencils and a little bit of basic training - is it not just a basic labouring sort of job?
Or is it the initials of the artist who drew the stencils?

No need to answer, Nigel  :smg: I assume we can speculate amongst ourselves!

[lesley7]

Just thought I would shed a little light.....sandblasting a simple design / logo / letter may not take very long and I would certainly not bother to sign it even though some time is taken to create the artwork to make the mask for the sandblast. If it is relatively complicated and a small run, then I would sign LP, especially if I have combined it with hand engraving (in my case drill with diamond / stone and rubber burs - not copperwheel)
Then there is the mega job, where I can spend litterally days creating the artwork for a mask to sandblast, I will start with a photograph which I will convert, manipulate and adjust in photoshop and Corel Draw before printing a transparency to create a film mask which will be stuck on the glass, much the same as the simplest letter, and blasted then if the job requires, brought to 3D life by hand. This would be fully signed, dated and will have a certificate of authenticity....and probably cost a cople of grand!! whew I am exhausted just talking about it  :thud:
ps...the photo shows parts of the sandblasting process but not the hand engraving process although the bottom right is the completed piece.