Author Topic: Chippendale glass (Read 22609 times)

Morgan48 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 06, 2005, 09:01:17 PM »

Quote from: "Anne"

Quote from: "Tony H"
Hi Gareth

Question.
When Davidson made Chippendale from original molds did they remove the Kris-Ktol and Chippendale marks from them I have pieces with and without, how can you tell what was made in USA which the National Glass Co imported into UK and which was Made in by Davidson in UK.

Tony H

This is something I've often wondered as well, as some of mine has Krys-tol and some has the US monogram and the rest is unmarked.

Hi Anne Tony

Unfortunately I cannot answer this at all. My only real interest in Davidsons is regarding cloud glass. I bought the Chippendale one with the cloud glass ones as at the time I thought...well why not !

I'm sure others will be able to answer this for you

Regards

Gareth

Morgan48

Anne · « **Reply #21 on:** February 06, 2005, 10:35:44 PM »

Thanks again Gareth, I'll wait and see if anyone else knows. Meanwhile I'm happily browsing the catalogue!

Tony H · « **Reply #22 on:** February 07, 2005, 04:41:17 AM »

Hi Gareth
Email recieved all OK many thanks, it tuns out I have a flower set in mat Emerald but no stand.

Ever thought of putting the other Catalogues on CD?, if you do I would like to buy a copy.

Tony H.

ChrisStewart · « **Reply #23 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:05:21 AM »

Hi All,

I think that when Davidson started making Chippendale for the National Glass Co, the Krys-tol mark was no longer in use. The adverts for Chippendale from the mid to late 1920s did not use the Krs-tol name. When the National Glass Co trademarked Chippendale in 1922, they did not trademark Krs-tol as well. It is interesting to note that Chippendale was trademarked over 10 years after it was first imported into the UK.

Regards

Chris

Anne · « **Reply #24 on:** February 07, 2005, 07:21:24 PM »

Hi Chris,

Can you clarify if this means that the moulds did not bear the Krys-tol name, or than the name had been erased from the mould, or that the moulds marked Krys-tol were not those sold to Davidson?

What Tony and I were trying to find out was if the Krys-tol marked moulds were ever stiill used by Davidson, rather than whether or not Davidson used the Krys-tol mark in, say, their advertising or literature. (Does that make sense?)

Your views would be most appreciated.

BTW I've just spent another very enjoyable hour on your website - I keep going back and reading and drooling! I just bought a flint chevron vase (marked RD No 826869)and wanted to confirm it was Davidson - which it is of course, and your site did that for me. Thank you for so much wonderful information on there.

ChrisStewart · « **Reply #25 on:** February 09, 2005, 12:24:26 PM »

Hi Anne,

There is nothing in the records to say whether or not the moulds used by Davidson had the Krys-tol mark in them. I do not believe they did for a number of reasons:

1) Very little Chippendale glass in the UK has the Krys-tol mark - this suggests that most of the production, whether by Davidson or before, did not have the mark.

2) The Krys-tol mark only appears in the early adverts. I have not been able to check all of my notes from the Pottery Gazette, but a 1911 advert uses the Krys-Tol name, but the next one I can find in 1923 does not. None of the later adverts use the Krys-tol name.

3) If the glass were marked 'Krys-tol', but was being advertised as Chippendale, then this could confuse the buyer - what have I been sold Chippendale glass or Krys-tol glass. Therefore I would assume that if the Krys-tol name was not being used in the adverts then it did not appear on the glass.

4) The examples of Chippendale glassware which have an original Davidson label of which I am aware are not marked Krys-tol.

5) The Davidson Chippendale catalogue of 1935 does not mention Krys-tol.

If the above logic is correct, then it means that very early on (pre 1923), the moulds from which the English Chippendale glassware was made did not have the Krys-tol mark.

Regards

Chris

Anne · « **Reply #26 on:** February 09, 2005, 07:13:57 PM »

Thanks for your reply Chris, most helpful. I shall go though my Chippendale pieces and see which is marked and which isn't. I'm trying to find time to get them all out and take photos but work seems to be taking over just now! :roll:

I'm definitely interested in finding out more about Chippendale, some of mine isn't listed in Gareth's catalogue, so I'm wondering if they are either pre-Davidson, or later pieces added to the range. I'm going to order the Krys-tol catalogue repro and see if they're listed in there for starters.

Morgan48 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 09, 2005, 07:52:15 PM »

Quote from: "Anne"

I'm definitely interested in finding out more about Chippendale, some of mine isn't listed in Gareth's catalogue, so I'm wondering if they are either pre-Davidson, or later pieces added to the range. I'm going to order the Krys-tol catalogue repro and see if they're listed in there for starters.

Hi Anne

I think you may well find that the "Chippendale" style was a very popular one and copied by other makers with small modifications.....to this end definite attribution may be a little tricky. Do you have any photos of the ones you haven't located in the catalogue. ... and I suppose the other point is whether or not Davidsons added any more to the range after the 1930's catalogue.

Regards

Gareth

Morgan48

Anne · « **Reply #28 on:** February 09, 2005, 09:23:57 PM »

Hi Gareth,

Yes I'm suspecting that some of mine are "Chippendale copies" as the colour, look and feel of the glass isn't the same as those marked, nor the same as those which I can match with the catalogue.

I've one in particular which has a slightly yellow (to my eye anyhow!) tinge to the glass. It's still clear, but whereas some flint glass is very clear, some has a grey cast, other goes sun-purpled, this has a yellowy cast and just feels like a inferior somehow.

I'll get the pictures done as soon as I can and add them to my Glass Gallery (which is offline again at the moment as we're moving to a new webhost!).

ChrisStewart · « **Reply #29 on:** February 14, 2005, 11:32:53 AM »

Hi Anne,

Many people copied Chippendale, including Davidson! Some examples of Davidson's 283 suite are almost identical to Chippendale e.g. the 283 two handled sugar. Other Chippendale look-alikes include the 'Cambridge' suite from British American Glass, Walther's 'Roland' suite (some of it) and one from Mathew Turnbull (I can't remember the suite number). I think this shows how popular it was.

I have been checking the Pottery Gazette again. The first adverts for Chippendale 'Krys-tol' glass appeared in late 1910. At the start of 1920, the adverts still had the 'Krys-tol' name, but it was no longer prominent. The last few adverts in 1920 did not mention 'Krys-tol' at all. It looks as if the Krys-tol name was dropped about then.

Some of the other suites sold by National Glass included the Georgian suite (which has been talked about in another posting), 'Fire King' ovenware and 'Balmoral'. The Balmoral suite was made in Czechoslovakia the rest were American.

Regards

Chris