Topic: Pink hotworked vase - not Skrdlovice

[Anik R]

Hello,

About two months ago, I picked up this pink hotworked vase at the antiques market for 40 PLN.  Originally, I thought it was a Skrdlovice piece, but a highly knowledgable glass acquaintance told me it's not, and that he'd look towards ZBS.

A few days ago, I saw a very similar vase on ebay, but with a Moser label:  http://cgi.ebay.com/Vase-Royalit-Hussmann-Moser-Cechoslovakia-1950-60-/200450052688?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item2eabc11250   That got me thinking that perhaps my vase could also be Moser.

I wrote to Moser on Sunday, including pictures of my vase, and got a reply this morning:  ... I have forwarded your pictures to the identification department and was informed that this glass piece was not produced by Moser glassworks. Your glass vase seems to be made in the glassworks in North Bohemia. Each glass piece is always signed by Moser brand mark. ...

Obviously, I've got a very hard time telling pieces of glass apart -- I really thought my vase was almost identical to the one in the link.     

I would appreciate confirmation that my vase is indeed ZBS, and not from another glassworks.  The vase is 23cm high, and has got a flat triangular base with quite a bit of wear.

Thank you!

P.S.  Is it true that Moser pieces are ALWAYS marked?

[Lustrousstone]

Moser is in denial about the post-war communist period when they had to produce things that perhaps didn't meet their pre-War and post-communism standards. Others have had this response.

[Jindra8526]

Tis piece is not Moser,  hav eseen it attributed for Miloslav Klinger, ZBS, but I have not seen any proof that it is true.
But I would guess ZBS or Chribska.

Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz

[Anik R]

Thank you for the replies.  

Christine, I think you brought up a very interesting point about Moser -- if it is true, then I think it's a terrible shame.  (Though I'm now inclined to believe it is not Moser), I see nothing wrong or sub-standard with my vase.  It's a lovely, 'reserved' hotworked piece.  

Jindrich, I'm very happy with a possible ZBS and Klinger attribution.  In fact, that's exactly what I was told two months back.   But isn't this style of vase quite unlike the pieces that are usually attributed to Klinger?  Though I know it's perfectly possible, the style does seem a little un-Klinger-ish.


I've got one more question...  Is the vase in the ebay link above different from mine?  They still look alike to me.

Thank you again.

[langhaugh]

I'm not sure it's entirely true that Moser is in denial about glass from the communist era. My experience (two requests) has been that they won't acknowledge as Moser anything whose production was transferred from another company, for example, "Pizzicatto" from Mstisov, whose production was moved to Karlovske Sklo. Mine even had Moser labels on them!

That said, I'm always happy to agree with Jindrich. It would be interesting to find out from Moser what company they meant when they said "the glassworks in North Boehmeia." There some pieces around that are very similar to Skrdlovice, so I wonder who did them. For example:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lasilove/Unknown#5496911937898044338

David

[antiquerose123]

I'm not sure it's entirely true that Moser is in denial about glass from the communist era. My experience (two requests) has been that they won't acknowledge as Moser anything whose production was transferred from another company, for example, "Pizzicatto" from Mstisov, whose production was moved to Karlovske Sklo. Mine even had Moser labels on them!

That said, I'm always happy to agree with Jindrich. It would be interesting to find out from Moser what company they meant when they said "the glassworks in North Boehmeia." There some pieces around that are very similar to Skrdlovice, so I wonder who did them. For example:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lasilove/Unknown#5496911937898044338

David

 :huh: :huh:

As Laughaugh said "It would be interesting to find out from Moser what company they meant when they said "the glassworks in North Boehmeia."




Hm-m-m-m-m interesting.....this is not the first time Moser has talked about North Boehmeia, and not sure IF what they said in my post  here  http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,37710.0.html   about North Bohemia -- has any reflection as to who they mean (??) also.

I copied and pasted this from MY Post, the link above:   Thank you for your e-mail and the interests in Moser glassworks. We appreciate it very much.

I have forwarded your pictures to the identification department and today I was informed that this vase was not produced by Moser glassworks and the label is not Moser label. Products which were not emended by Moser glassworks were also not labeled by Moser. Your glass item was probably produced in the glassworks Egermann (North Bohemia). More information you might get at: www.egermann.cz
Unfortunately we cannot provide you the information of age and name of the label as we also have no idea, where this label can be from.

I am sorry I couldn´t write you more information but hope to be more helpful to you next time.

Have a Merry Christamas and a Happy New Year 2011.

Veronika Zvonarova
Customer Service
MOSER, a.s.

Interesting If there (might) be some Denial.............as laughaugh said (etc) in the previous post.

[Jindra8526]

Hi Rose,
do not take the information from Veronika from Moser like a law, she apparently knows nothing about the period we are speaking about.
Egermann s.r.o. at that time did not exist.

In fact Moser never produced free hand glass (hutni) until 1964/65 when the factory in Mstisov was closed and than some patterns from Mstisov came with some staff to Moser - Karlovarske sklo. This production Moser never accepted as their own production and it is hard to get some information about it from them. Than Moser had designed also their new patterns - Jelinek, Suhajek, etc and these paterns Moser feels as their products and you can get serious pattern numbers, etc. from Moser customers support.

In case of hutní we have to be happy when Moser says "sorry not our product" and we have to research on our own and not follow their suggestions, I have got such experience.

Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz

[antiquerose123]

Hi Rose,
do not take the information from Veronika from Moser like a law, she apparently knows nothing about the period we are speaking about.
Egermann s.r.o. at that time did not exist......

Exactly --  :thup:  I am beginning to see this ....