;)thanks for your reply ive had a look at the other handles and they look the same to me.... but i'm not a trained eye my one's handle is smooth flatish and has a seam... to tell the truth it's perfectly made imperfectly...... ive been pinging it sounds ok but ive got nothing to compare with, the ridges are well defined but not so sharp that you would cut yourself on them, so looking at these sites photos and info im not too sure :huh: and i cannot contact them as they want money to ask a question and everythings in $$$$$$ its a good strong chunky piece of depression glass.need to get the proper measurements..... thanks again cathy very helpful