Topic: Moser or Harrach deep intaglio vase?

[krsilber]

I have long suspected that attribution of Bohemian glass is more complex and difficult than many (myself included!) think, and wouldn't be at all surprised if companies besides Harrach and Moser made crackle glass with applied animals.  I think it likely there was more contemporary exchange or copying of ideas and styles than we realize; this may be especially true in places with glass schools, like Železný Brod.  There are also modern companies that do reproductions, for example:
http://www.bohemian-glassworks.com/gallery/engraved.html
http://www.antikglass.cz/gallery.htm

Considering the prices intaglio cut-to-clear piece fetch, I wouldn't be surprised if someone out there is making them today.

I almost asked whether the pontil was amber.  That would definitely suggest that the piece is either stained or amber all the way through.

At least now we know that Moser doesn't use Železný Brod as their standard reply for pieces they didn't make!

[TxSilver]

I loved reading the words about the fish vase. I've had a few that were not crackle. Books on Moser attribute these types vases to Moser or Harrach, but I don't like calling anything Moser that isn't signed. Now I even wonder if Harrach is the only other candidate. I wonder if Reidel could have made some of them. They could have come from several places, which might explain the differences in the feel of the glass as well as the style of decoration.

[albglass]

I really appreciate those links to modern Czech engraving!  It does give one pause, though, when trying to identify Bohemian glass.  Those reproduction pieces look just like the originals.   It is also intriguing to think of the glass schools--of course that would facilitate the exchange of styles and techniques on a continual basis--all those graduates migrating into the workforce every year.  It certainly does appear that identifying Bohemian engraved, enameled and applied glass is more complicated than I ever suspected!  It is a bit frustrating knowing that I will be studying glass my whole life, and still won't know very much...

[mhgcgolfclub]

I posted these vase nearly 5 years ago I will try Moser to see what they say as last time still unsure if Moser of English , I still have the vases

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5382.msg44818.html#msg44818

Roy

[krsilber]

Cool salamander vases!  Or monitor lizard?  Komodo dragon perhaps?  I agree with Ivo that they don't look particularly Moser, and it seems like they are too precisely molded for Harrach (I would expect that to have signs of hand-work)...but then, I'm repeatedly surprised by their diversity.  English?  Heck if I know!

A couple more sites with copies of old glass:
http://www.egermann.cz/?go=products&lang=en

This site even has Waterford crystal "Carrying on the old Bohemia tradition" (there are all kinds of "historical replicas" in their store).
http://www.crystal-treasury.com/hand_made_engraved_egermann_glass.htm

You have wonder how much of this stuff is marked.