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Possibly Loetz Chine? ID - Wilhem Kralik iridescent vase

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Cathy B:
Hello - I have finally got my computer access back!
 
There used to be some good information on a website somewhere on identifying fake Loetz for the novice, but it appears to have disappeared. In particular, I seem to recall that many of these fakes have the chine effect (excuse the spelling: the French acute is beyond my ken).

Can anyone expand on this?

Kind regards,
Cathy

Mod: This vase is a Wilhem Kralik iridescent vase with an applied rim and trails. See the Great Glass site, navigate to the picture gallery, then choose the third page, Austro-Bohemian & German (others), and scroll to Kralik, for similar vases.

Della:
Hi Cathy,
I have just visited this site;

http://www.loetz.com/

It has some great information. Hope it helps.

Cathy B:
Hello DeltaB,

Thanks for that. Would most fakes be signed these days, do you think? They have some fantastic info on signatures, but nothing on unsigned work.

For instance, Loetz would have always ground their pontils, wouldn't they?

I've found what _could_ be a Loetz Chine decor hyacinth vase with trofen, or a fake. It's quite a significant price, but fairly reasonable if it's Loetz. It is not signed.

Thanks!!

Cathy

B & M:
I don't recall ever seeing any fake Loetz, i.e. pieces made intentionally to deceive.  There is, however, a lot of irridescent glass, old and new,which is often passed off as being Loetz by unscrupulous sellers, who might even add a fake Loetz signiature to a piece by an unknown maker.

To my knowledge, the vast majority of Loetz's output was unsigned. In fact, i would be more wary of a signed piece for the reasons described above.

If there are any modern fakes around, they should be fairly easy to identify: I would expect differences in the irridescence and of course the base would show no wear or the obvious marks left by sandpaper or other abrasive in the attempt to add age to a new piece.

My advice would be to examine the piece thouroughly and compare its style and decoration to the pieces identified on the Loetz site, in particular the threaded Kralik & Pallme-Koenig examples. Attribution of this type of glass is very difficult, however and it is common practice among many auction houses to identify all irridescent glss from this era as 'Loetz' or 'Loetz type'.

Ultimately though, what does it matter who made it? It may turn out to be by Kralik or another maker, but it is still the same item.  In your position, I would base my decision to buy or not on the quality and aesthetic appeal of the item regardless of maker.

Sklounion:

--- Quote ---Ultimately though, what does it matter who made it? It may turn out to be by Kralik or another maker, but it is still the same item. In your position, I would base my decision to buy or not on the quality and aesthetic appeal of the item regardless of maker.
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With all due respect here, B&M, what are you saying? That it does not matter that a Powolny design, for, and  made by Loetz, has no different value, if the design were made by, for example, Liuligongfang????

Cathy, welcome back, you have been missed, our queen of pressed glass, southern hemisphere chapter. Hope all's gone well with the move?

Marcus

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